Minutes · Jan 10, 2013
January 10, 2013
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e Board. Chairman Neuer asked if any members of the public have any questions for Ms. Burke based on her testimony tonight. Marlon Lewis approached the podium and stated that he lived at 10 Woodhull Avenue. Mr. Lewis said that the loading zone is closer (o the residents and asked Ms. Burke about the noise level. He said that his house is next door and the loading zone is close to his bedroom. Chairman Neuer stated that there was no testimony regarding the noise level presented to the Board yet. Mr. Williams stated that they will provide testimony regarding the noise levels at the
next meeting. Chairman Neuer advised Mr. Williams to mail a notice to Mr. Lewis as to when they will be bringing someone to the meeting to testify to the noise levels. Mr. Lewis asked Ms. Burke if they could move the loading area further away from the residential area; Ms. Burke said that this is the layout the applicant is presenting, Mr. Williams stated that he will have testimony at this meeting regarding the frequency of the use of the compactor. There were no further questions for Ms. Burke. Chairman Neuer advised Ms. Burke not to submit any revised plans that have not been approved by Mr. Keller. Mr. Williams replied that Chairman Neuer’s point was well taken. Mr. Williams called the regional manager of CVS Pharmacy as his next witness. Gary Lorio approached the podium and was sworn under oath. Mr. Lorio stated that he is the Director of Real Estate for CVS Pharmacy and that his job is to find sites for their stores. He said that he has worked for CVS for 25 years and has found locations for the stores from Virginia to New York. Mr. Williams asked Mr. Lorio why the store needs two drive-thru lanes. Mr. Lorio said that the double lane is very important. He said that when a person picks up a prescription sometimes they have a consultation and it could take time. Mr. Lorio said that they do not want their customers to be inconvenienced. He said it is also convenient for the elderly and on rainy days when customers do not want to get out of their cars. Mr. Quentzel asked Mr. Lorio if only prescriptions can be purchased from the drive thru windows; Mr. Lorio said yes. Chairman Neuer asked Mr. Lorio if an employee ever suggests to the customer that they go inside if they need a consultation; Mr. Lorio said no because that is the customer’s choice. Mr. Buechler asked Mr. Lorio how many CVS stores within 30 miles of this location have two drive-thru lanes; Mr. Lorio stated that all of the new CVS stores have two drive-thru lanes. Mr. Buechler stated that he questions the need for the two drive-thru lanes and repeated his request for a list of such existing stores within the 30-mile radius. Chairman Neuer asked Mr. Lorio to provide a list of all of the CVS stores that have two drive- thru lanes from Monmouth County to this location. Ms. Gabry asked Mr. Lorio if the drive-thru lanes are just for dropping off and. picking up a prescription or can the
CVS stores that have two drive- thru lanes from Monmouth County to this location. Ms. Gabry asked Mr. Lorio if the drive-thru lanes are just for dropping off and. picking up a prescription or can the customer wait for the prescription; Mr. Lorio said they cannot wait for the prescription in the drive-thru lane; they can only have a consultation.
Mr. Quentzel asked Mr. Lorio if they could have one drive-thru lane with two windows; Mr. Lorio said no because the pharmacist only has access to one part of the store. He said that there could not be two windows at the pharmacy wall. Mr. Williams asked Mr. Lorio to explain how and when deliveries are made to the store. Mr. Lorio said that the tractor trailer makes a delivery once a week and it is there approximately twenty (20) minutes. He said that they have other smaller deliveries and they are made through the front door. Mr. Lorio said that the compactor gets picked-up once every ten days as needed and the pickup is less than five (5) minutes. He said that with all of the deliveries their main goal is that the customer is safe. Mr. Buechler asked Mr. Lorio how often the other delivery trucks come; Mr. Lorio said it is on an as needed basis. Mr. Buechler asked Mr. Lorio where these delivery trucks park; Mr. Lorio said if it is a van truck then they can park in a parking spot. He said the larger trucks go to the loading zone in the back of the store. Mr. Buechler asked Mr. Lorio about the status of the other CVS store on Eagle Rock Avenue. Mr. Lorio stated that they have obligations under the lease for that store and it is to be determined. Chairman Neuer said that this Board is concerned with two CVS stores within one mile of each other. Mr. Lorio said that the lease for that store runs out in 2017 or 2018. Chairman Neuer asked if there was any covenant regarding operating another CVS store within a certain mileage of each other; Mr. Lorio said no. Mr. Buechler asked Mr. Lorio if CVS will agree to the condition to restrict the hours of their deliveries and the locations where delivery trucks can park and only use the ioading zone. Mr. Lorio said that would be difficult to control but he said the store manager can enforce that. Mr. Buechler said that he will recommend that all deliveries must come in through the back as a condition. Chairman Neuer asked Mr. Lorio how the stores control bringing the shopping carts back into the store from the parking lot; Mr. Lorio said that their shopping carts have long poles on them so they cannot be taken out of the store. Chairman Neuer said that the CVS store on Eagle Rock Avenue does not have the long poles on the shopping carts. He said that he passes by that store almost every day, visits that store
t of the store. Chairman Neuer said that the CVS store on Eagle Rock Avenue does not have the long poles on the shopping carts. He said that he passes by that store almost every day, visits that store regularly and there are shopping carts in the parking lot and he has not seen any shopping carts at that location with long poles affixed. Mr. Bullock stated that CVS is going to have to justify the dual drive-thru lane so they can see where the numbers are going. He asked Mr. Lorio to provide the Board with the demographic projections. Mr. Sussman said that he would like Mr. Lorio to provide this Board with the number of CVS stores that operate 24 hours a day/ 7 days a week.
Mr. Grossman asked Mr. Lorio what the lot size is for the proposed site; Mr. Lorio said that he did not quite know the size of that lot. Mr. Grossman asked Mr. Lorio what the lot size of the CVS store on Eagle Rock Avenue is; Mr. Lorio said approximately 10,000 sq. feet. Mr. Grossman asked if CVS considered putting a 24 hour drive-thru at any of the other CVS locations in town; Mr. Lorio said no they did not. Mr. Grossman asked Mr. Lorio if he was aware of the traffic problems at the intersection of Eagle Rock Avenue and Prospect Avenue; Mr. Lorio replied yes. Mr. Grossman asked Mr. Lorio if he was aware that it is the worst intersection in Town; Mr. Lorio said that he was not aware of that. Mr. Grossman asked Mr. Lorio if he thought that putting this CVS store at this location will increase the traffic conditions; Mr. Lorio said that he thinks that it will decrease the traffic conditions but stated that he is not a traffic expert. Mr. Grossman asked Mr. Lorio if he thought that bringing the traffic up to this section of the town would be a service to the community; Mr. Lorio said that he thinks that it offers conveniences to the community. Mr. Lorio stated that the retail square footage will be 2,000 to 3,000 sq. ft. larger in the new store. Chairman Neuer said that the size of the new store is at least ten times larger than the store on Eagle Rock Avenue; Mr. Lorio said that he was talking about the retail square footage. Chairman Neuer issued a directive that he is subpoenaing the lease for the CVS store on Eagle Rock Avenue and the lease on the new site. He said that the lease will tell you the exact square footage of both stores. Chairman Neuer said they will also need the demographics for the CVS on Eagle Rock Avenue and the CVS on this site, Mr. Buechler stated that he has not heard anything at this meeting tonight that justifies two 24 hr. drive-thru lanes. Chairman Neuer asked if any member of the public had any questions for Mr. Lorio. Marlon Lewis approached the podium and stated that he lived at 10 Woodhull Avenue. He asked Mr. Lorio how they determined that this site would better service the neighborhood as a 24 hour store rather than the CVS on Eagle Rock Avenue. Mr. Lorio stated that they determined that this site is a better location and has better visibility than the CVS store on Eagle Rock Avenue. Mr. Lewis asked Mr. Lorio if any
CVS on Eagle Rock Avenue. Mr. Lorio stated that they determined that this site is a better location and has better visibility than the CVS store on Eagle Rock Avenue. Mr. Lewis asked Mr. Lorio if any crime studies have been done; Mr. Lorio stated that he is not here to testify to that. Mr. Lewis asked Mr. Lorio if there will be cameras; Mr. Lorio said yes. Ms. Gabry asked Mr. Lorio if they will have security guards; Mr. Lorio said that he does not know. Mr. Williams stated that the Town has an ordinance regarding 24 hour operations and they must comply.
Chairman Neuer requested that they supply the Board with the leases for both stores and the demographics and then they will determine if Mr. Lorio will be required to come back to testify. The Applicant agreed to comply. Mr. Williams recalled Robert Gehr the applicant’s Architect. Chairman Neuer stated that Mr. Gehr was sworn under oath at the meeting on 11/8/12 and will continue his testimony as a recognized expert in Architecture. Mr. Gehr referred to sheet A-4.1¢ of the Exterior Elevations with a revision date of 1/9/13. Chairman Neuer stated that sheet A-4.1 of the Exterior elevations with a revision date of 1/9/12 was pre-marked as Exhibit A-27 for identification. Mr, Gehr began detailing the changes stating that they forgot to remove the sign that is shown on the plans on the rear elevation. He said that they also added a knox box. Chairman Neuer asked Mr. Gehr to explain what a knox box is. Mr. Gehr said that it is a box that is purchased from the fire department where a key to the store is kept inside of it. He said the fire department has a key to this box so that they can access the store in case of an emergency. Mr. Gehr said that they are adding additional signage along the Prospect Avenue side of the building that will identify the fire equipment. He said that they dropped the two wall packs to 12’ and changed all of the lighting on the building to 70 watt. Mr. Gehr said that they removed the cornices on the Woodhull Avenue side of the building and the lower portion will be one fluorescent tube. He also said that there will not be any cornice lighting above the sign on the Prospect Avenue side of the building. Mr. Gehr stated that the fence around the compactor will be 8’ high and it will be PVC fencing. Mr. Bucchler asked if the applicant requested a variance for the height of the fence; Mr. Williams replied yes. Mr. Gehr detailed the building materials and stated that they updated the signs on the building that show the 24 hour operation on them. Mr. Bullock asked Mr. Gehr if reducing the lighting in some areas will affect the clarity of the security cameras. He asked if there will be sufficient lighting to get quality pictures. Mr. Gehr said that the camera company will make sure that the cameras can see in those light levels. He said that the photometric plan will be the key to determining that. Mr. Williams stated that
es. Mr. Gehr said that the camera company will make sure that the cameras can see in those light levels. He said that the photometric plan will be the key to determining that. Mr. Williams stated that the photometric plan will be resubmitted to the Board. Mr. Keller asked Mr. Gehr to refer to the signage package and point out where the non- illuminated store plaque will be. Mr. Gehr stated that there will be a non-illuminated vinyl decal across the window in the drive-thru and pointed to it on the sign plan. The Board had no further questions for Mr. Gehr. Chairman Neuer asked if any members of the public had any questions for Mr. Gehr; seeing none Mr. Gehr was excused.
Mr. Williams called his next witness. Robert Oelenschlager approached the podium and was sworn under oath. Mr. Ocelenschlager stated that he prepared the sign exhibits and has been preparing signs for CVS for fifteen years. He said that he has also been involved in hundreds of applications for CVS. Chairman Neuer stated that the Pylon Sign Calculations Plan dated 1/10/13 has been pre-marked as Exhibit A-24, page 2 of the Signage Color Exhibit dated 12/18/12 has been pre-marked as Exhibit A-25 and page 3 of the Signage Color Exhibit dated 12/18/12 has been pre-marked as Exhibit A-26 all for identification. Chairman Neuer asked Mr. Oelenschlager if he supervised or prepared the sign plans for National Sign Services; Mr. Oclenschlager that he both supervised and prepared the sign plans. Mr. Oclenschlager detailed the sign plans giving all of the measurements of all of the signs and where they will be located. He detailed which signs will be illuminated and which signs will not be illuminated. Mr. Oclenschlager also detailed what was originally proposed and what changes were made, ‘There were no questions for Mr. Oclenschlager from the Board. Chairman Neuer asked if any members of the public had any questions for Mr. Oelenschlager; seeing none, Mr, Oelenschlager was excused. Chairman Neuer noted the time was 11:00 pm and asked Mr. Williams when he wanted to schedule the next special meeting. Mr. Williams asked if they could schedule a meeting sometime in March. Chairman Neuer stated that this application will be carried over to a special Zoning Board meeting to be held on March 7, 2013 and that no further notice will be necessary. Chairman Neuer told Mr. Williams that the applicant must submit the revised plans no later than February 11, 2013 ADJOURNMENT. The meeting was adjourned by Chairman Neuer at 11:02 pm Approved: February 7, 2013 pls “Rose DeSena Zoning Board Secretary
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