September 3, 2025 Planning Board Regular Meeting Transcript - WEHI

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 91 got overlooked. MS. McGOVERN: Let's get that authenticated then. MR. AFRAN: Mr. Green. MS. McGOVERN: It's eight pages. CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Dated August 22, 2025. Q. There's a document dated August 22, 2025 and it has, it states, Re: Utilities Review Memo. Are you familiar with this document? A. Yes, I am. Q. And does this document represent your report in connection with the testimony you gave concerning the presence or absence of the utilities and related information on the site plan application? A. Yes, it does. Q. And do you adopt this report as part of your evidence? A. Yes. MR. AFRAN: I would proffer this as the next objectors exhibit. CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Is it marked Objector -- MS. McGOVERN: O-29. CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: -- 0-29. MR. AFRAN: 0-29. Thank you. MS. McGOVERN: You have my copy?

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 92 MR. AFRAN: I'll give it to you. CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Okay. Thank you. This meeting will be carried without further notice, PB 24-01, West Essex Highlands, Incorporated will be carried to September 17, 6:30 PM in council chambers. We may or may not have zoom available, please go to the website to find out if zoom will be available. We'll know within 24 hours. MR. PLOCKER: No further notice, correct? CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: No further notice will be required. (Hearing concludes at 9:48 PM.)

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 93 C E R T I F I C A T E I, ERIC S. FISHMAN, a Shorthand Reporter and Notary Public of the State of New Jersey do hereby certify that the foregoing is a true and accurate transcript of the testimony as taken stenographically by and before me at the time, place and on the date hereinbefore set forth, to the best of my ability. I DO FURTHER CERTIFY that I am neither a relative nor employee nor attorney nor counsel of any of the parties to the action; and that I am neither a relative nor employee of such attorney or counsel; and that I am not financially interested in the action. --------------------- ERIC S. FISHMAN, S.R. Dated:__________________

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