February 25, 2026 Planning Board Special Meeting - WEHI Transcript

03/20/2026 06:14:03 AM Page 149 to 152 of 154 38 of 68 sheets 149 MS. McGOVERN: If you want a copy --1 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Okay. He'll present it to2 the board attorney and we'll get you a copy.3 MR. AFRAN: The other point is that it's4 possible Mr. Green may have been mistaken in saying5 there was nothing on the drawing. My argument was under6 Field you have to show your connection is feasible, not7 merely that you've drawn it. Field is the same case,8 and I think legally we may have some debate about it's9 applicability.10 The other point is the quotation from Judge11 Goldman is not appropriate for this courts reliance. I12 have been repeatedly told we cannot rely on anything13 from that decision of this board because it's a separate14 case. Judge Goldman's statement about what the board15 needs to do in 2006 was a different plan with different16 evidence. I want to point out the environmental17 evidence we discussed here was not in that case, so it's18 not appropriate for the board to be asked to rely on19 Judge Goldman's direction in another case 16 years ago.20 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: I'll answer that. I sat21 on the board during that time. We're not going to rely22 on Judge Goldman's decision. It was remanded back to23 reevaluate, so both sides would work together. The24 applicant did not come back to the Planning Board, there25 150 was no working together after that. So we're not1 relying on that decision.2 MR. AFRAN: That's all I wanted to point3 out.4 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Absolutely. And the board5 will be reminded during our discussion that we will not6 rely on that decision.7 MR. AFRAN: That's all I wanted to say.8 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Absolutely.9 MR. AFRAN: No need to respond to anything10 else.11 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Thank you.12 Mr. Plocker.13 MR. PLOCKER: I just want to say for the14 record, I don't think this board should rely on that15 decision per se either. But there were many comments16 that, during these proceedings, that characterized the17 prior denial and they weren't correct. So I offered it18 just to clear that up. And as far as the document19 itself, just like the cases we cited, all though it's20 not a reported decision or the regulations I cited, we21 didn't put those in the record, it is a publically filed22 document with the Superior Court. So I just want to23 note that for the record.24 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Absolutely. Okay. We25 151 agree.1 Thank you

dn't put those in the record, it is a publically filed22 document with the Superior Court. So I just want to23 note that for the record.24 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Absolutely. Okay. We25 151 agree.1 Thank you both gentlemen. We thank you both2 for all the meetings and the public who came here and3 listened with us, provided comment and everybody on zoom4 and -- no sir, thank you very much.5 MR. AFRAN: Mr. Chair, you may want to know,6 a member of the public was asking from the public to7 speak, you may want to address that issue yourself.8 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: No. Thank you though.9 All testimony for this application is now10 complete.11 The process now will be that the board at12 our next meeting will start deliberating this13 application. We'll go over everything that the board14 members have to say, any questions. We'll talk amongst15 ourselves. We'll ask or attorney for guidance. We'll16 review the documents, review everything that has been17 said here this evening, all the public comments and we18 will have at least one meeting, possibly two before we19 vote on the application.20 So to that end, our next regular meeting of21 the Planning Board will held Wednesday, March 4, 2026 at22 6:30 PM in person and you can watch via zoom. The23 meeting will be dedicated to review of this application24 and no additional notice will be required.25 152 (Hearing concludes at 10:46 PM.)1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25

39 of 68 sheets Page 153 to 154 of 154 03/20/2026 06:14:03 AM 153 C E R T I F I C A T E1 I, ERIC S. FISHMAN, a Shorthand Reporter2 and Notary Public of the State of New Jersey do hereby3 certify that the foregoing is a true and accurate4 transcript of the testimony as taken stenographically by5 and before me at the time, place and on the date6 hereinbefore set forth, to the best of my ability.7 I DO FURTHER CERTIFY that I am neither a8 relative nor employee nor attorney nor counsel of any of9 the parties to the action; and that I am neither a10 relative nor employee of such attorney or counsel; and11 that I am not financially interested in the action.12 13 14 ---------------------15 ERIC S. FISHMAN, S.R.16 17 18 19 Dated:__________________20 21 22 23 24 25 154 SIGNATURE PAGE/ERRATA SHEET1 2 WITNESS: CASE REFERENCE:3 4 INSTRUCTIONS TO WITNESS5 After you have read your transcript, please note any errors in transcript6 on this page. Do not mark on the transcript itself. Please sign and date this sheet as indicated below. If additional lines are required for corrections, attach additional sheets.7 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ERROR OR AMENDMENT/REASON FOR CHANGE8 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Page Line9 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 I have read my transcript and subscribed to its accuracy, to include the corrections or amendments noted above or hereto attached:23 24 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Signature of Witness Date25

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