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Minutes · May 6, 2026

May 6, 2026 Planning Board Regular Meeting - WEHI Transcript

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9 of 18 sheets Page 33 to 36 of 38 06/04/2026 06:19:47 AM 33 MR. AFRAN: Okay, okay.1 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Please let me finish, sir.2 Ms. McGovern, you want to speak to that.3 Ms. McGOVERN: Well, it would be a motion4 and there's a set amount of time and it would have to be5 before any resolution is prepared, and I don't know what6 the applicant is going to seek to do. Because the other7 option is an appeal obviously, but that would -- the8 time period for an appeal wouldn't begin running until9 the resolution is prepared, adopted by the board and10 reported in the -- well, we don't have newspapers11 anymore, but on a news source. So that's when the12 appeal runs. So those of you who are wondering if13 there's going to be an appeal, when does it begin, that14 time is not yet set. That's -- it's influx, because I15 think I have 45 days from this date to prepare the16 resolution for the Boards consideration for17 memorialization. If at some point in time there's new18 evidence established or some error brought to the19 attention of the Board that was overlooked by the20 applicant, the applicant may seek to request a motion21 for reconsideration. That doesn't mean it gets22 reconsidered, it just means the request for a23 reconsideration is considered by the Board and at that24 point a decision as to what happens next is up in the25 34 air at this point.1 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Okay.2 Mr. Afran.3 MR. AFRAN: Thank you.4 I didn't mean to jump in. I'm sorry.5 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: It's okay.6 MR. AFRAN: Before I say anything7 procedural, let me just thank everyone. We've been here8 almost two years, this has been really a unique9 experience for me as well. I've done these cases in a10 lot of forums, this is the one I have the greatest11 affection for, whether we win or lose. I mean, everyone12 really came to this with a good spirit. And Mr.13 Plocker, despite our going back and forth, was a great14 adversary and colleague. So I just wanted to thank you15 all, it's something I'm going to remember either way. I16 hope you all do too in the same spirit.17 Procedurally I do want to disagree, Mr.18 Chairman, with one thing you said. It's -- I don't19 think you meant this, but I want to be clear, I'm20 reserving the issue. There's no reconsideration just21 because a ninth person might show up and be able to vote22 at a future date.23 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: I agree. It was, the24 applicant

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be clear, I'm20 reserving the issue. There's no reconsideration just21 because a ninth person might show up and be able to vote22 at a future date.23 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: I agree. It was, the24 applicant can ask for it. We have a nine person board,25 35 eight people are here, so the applicant, it is an option1 of the applicant or to seek other redress in other2 areas.3 MR. AFRAN: The applicant absolutely can4 appeal based on the filing of the resolution, etc. But5 my point was that reconsideration, all though it's6 available to an agency, has to be based on a new fact or7 one that was either overlooked or perhaps mutually not8 known.9 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Agreed.10 MR. AFRAN: Not simply because a ninth11 person is going to be at another meeting we want to take12 a do-over.13 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Right. There are nuances14 to that, yes. But for the public digestion, I just15 wanted to let them know there are other avenues for the16 applicant and or the objectors, or the application may17 stay as it is done.18 MR. AFRAN: Correct.19 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Okay.20 I'd like to thank all the members of the21 public. Thank you so much for two and a half years of22 your fervescence, experts, information, and we23 appreciate everything from the applicant and the24 objectors.25 36 (Hearing includes at 7:26 PM.)1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25

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06/04/2026 06:19:47 AM Page 37 to 38 of 38 10 of 18 sheets 37 C E R T I F I C A T E1 I, ERIC S. FISHMAN, a Shorthand Reporter2 and Notary Public of the State of New Jersey do hereby3 certify that the foregoing is a true and accurate4 transcript of the testimony as taken stenographically by5 and before me at the time, place and on the date6 hereinbefore set forth, to the best of my ability.7 I DO FURTHER CERTIFY that I am neither a8 relative nor employee nor attorney nor counsel of any of9 the parties to the action; and that I am neither a10 relative nor employee of such attorney or counsel; and11 that I am not financially interested in the action.12 13 14 ---------------------15 ERIC S. FISHMAN, S.R.16 17 18 19 Dated:__________________20 21 22 23 24 25 38 SIGNATURE PAGE/ERRATA SHEET1 2 WITNESS: CASE REFERENCE:3 4 INSTRUCTIONS TO WITNESS5 After you have read your transcript, please note any errors in transcript6 on this page. Do not mark on the transcript itself. Please sign and date this sheet as indicated below. If additional lines are required for corrections, attach additional sheets.7 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ERROR OR AMENDMENT/REASON FOR CHANGE8 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Page Line9 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 I have read my transcript and subscribed to its accuracy, to include the corrections or amendments noted above or hereto attached:23 24 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Signature of Witness Date25

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