12 12 24 PSEG West Orange BOA ZB 24 06 PSEG 35 Mt Pleasant Ave Condensed

65b96228-b9ab-4f72-9291-fa4a14ff04c8 31 (Pages 121 to 124) Page 121 1 that? 2 A. One of the things I would like to see 3 done or addressed in the report is if the new indoor 4 switching structure can be shifted further north and 5 further west on the site plan, so it would get it 6 further away from the existing trees. 7 You know, and that would move it 8 further away from Prospect Avenue and Mount Pleasant 9 Avenue. 10 And I can show that -- what I'm talking 11 about on the PSE&G site plan if you want me to share 12 my screen. 13 MR. TURTELTAUB: If he may share his 14 screen, I will ask, Mr. Chairman, if he can share his 15 screen, will you let him set up for that. 16 CHAIRMAN NEUER: Yes. 17 Diana or Megan, whoever, please allow 18 Mr. Blanton to share his screen. 19 MS. BRILL: Yes, he should have that 20 capability already. 21 CHAIRMAN NEUER: Do you see it, 22 Mr. Blanton? 23 THE WITNESS: Yes, I do. 24 Okay. I hope you can see my screen 25 now. Page 123 1 further away from all the trees on the east side of 2 the site and the south side of the site, which we've 3 also heard testimony that these are some of the 4 larger trees that are being slated to be removed. 5 And again, I don't know the condition 6 of the trees, but this would possibly save some of 7 those trees if they are healthy trees. 8 You know another thing that, as I've 9 looked at this in the last several days, you know, 10 okay, what PSE&G is doing is they're coming out of 11 this transformer and running bus work out there 12 showing here to the switch gear. They also come out 13 this transformer with bus work down here 14 (indicating). 15 And then out of this transformer at the 16 top with bus work that comes all the way down in 17 here. And that -- 18 BY MR. TURTELTAUB: 19 Q. Now, you're using a term -- you're 20 using a term "bus work." 21 Can you just explain to the Board what 22 bus work is so everybody understands in the public as 23 well? 24 A. Okay. Bus work is just aluminum bus or 25 pipe bus that's installed on a type of structure. Page 122 1 MS. BRILL: Yes. 2 CHAIRMAN NEUER: It's up on mine. 3 MR. TURTELTAUB: We can. 4 CHAIRMAN NEUER: I don't know about 5 everybody else, but I can see it. 6 MR. SCOTT: Yes. 7 BY MR. TURTELTAUB: 8 Q. Mr. Blanton, everybody can see your 9 screen, so -- 10 A. Okay, very good. 11 Okay. Here is the new switch gear that 12 Public Service is putting in. What

. 6 MR. SCOTT: Yes. 7 BY MR. TURTELTAUB: 8 Q. Mr. Blanton, everybody can see your 9 screen, so -- 10 A. Okay, very good. 11 Okay. Here is the new switch gear that 12 Public Service is putting in. What -- 13 MR. TURTELTAUB: And just for -- so 14 everybody can see, and just to make sure everybody 15 can see it, there's an X that's down to the bottom 16 right-hand part of the screen. 17 If anybody is having a problem seeing 18 it, please let me know, but that's where his cursor 19 is. 20 THE WITNESS: And I made the cursor 21 oversized so it's easier for me to see it also. 22 Here's the new equipment that PSE&G is 23 putting in. If this equipment could be slid further 24 north this way and further west this way to put it 25 more in this area (indicating), it would get it Page 124 1 And what their bus work looks like is -- this is 2 their bus work running through here (indicating) that 3 they're proposing to install. And they've got 4 supports on a regular basis to maintain that bus work 5 so it doesn't sag and doesn't fall down. 6 Q. Okay. 7 A. Okay? 8 Q. Now, you -- you were along the right 9 side of the drawing there and I'm sorry to interrupt 10 you. 11 A. Okay. Okay. You all understand? You 12 follow? 13 And then they got bus work coming down 14 to here that comes into here (indicating). 15 The other thing that, I don't know if 16 they considered because it's not in the report that I 17 -- any of the reports that I have seen, is could this 18 switch gear be moved up into this area? 19 Because they have already got slated to 20 remove some trees up in here (indicating). 21 And again, that would preserve these 22 larger trees down in here (indicating), you know, in 23 the south and east side of the property if those are 24 healthy. 25 Not knowing the condition of the trees,

65b96228-b9ab-4f72-9291-fa4a14ff04c8 32 (Pages 125 to 128) Page 125 1 not knowing what all PSE&G has looked at, I can't 2 tell you if that can be done, but I would hope that 3 that was something that had been considered by them. 4 Q. What are the impacts -- you know, 5 you're saying, well, we could move potentially the 6 new equipment that is on what I believe would be the 7 southeastern part of the property. You said they 8 could move it north. 9 What would be entailed in moving it 10 north and are there any restrictions either with 11 respect to the way they operate or physically that 12 they could not be moved, in your knowledge? 13 A. In my knowledge, again, if I -- if we 14 move this switch gear up here to this northerly side, 15 instead of running bus work from this transformer 16 down and this transformer down, we come from this 17 transformer here on the south side and go up to it 18 and this goes up and this goes over, it may be 19 shorter routes for their bus work to be installed, 20 which would then entail less cost to PSE&G. 21 Q. Now, in terms of moving it to that 22 location with other uses that may be there, does it 23 have any potential impact on that portion of the 24 property or the things near that as opposed to where 25 it is being planned for today? Page 127 1 transformer. That's got to be removed for all this 2 to be installed on the south side. 3 Q. Now, with respect to maintaining power 4 and being -- service during a move to any such area, 5 would that plan that you were just discussing be able 6 to support -- be able to support the continuation of 7 service during the time that you move it in that 8 area? 9 A. They should be -- you should be able to 10 continue supporting service as this is being 11 installed, whether it is installed in the present 12 location or if you shift it, you know, just slightly 13 north and west or whether it gets -- 14 (Connection lost.) 15 MR. TURTELTAUB: I think we have a 16 freeze here. 17 CHAIRMAN NEUER: We lost him. 18 MR. TURTELTAUB: I think we lost him. 19 Mr. Blanton, can you hear us? 20 CHAIRMAN NEUER: The screen is blank. 21 MR. TURTELTAUB: I'm seeing his 22 picture, but it's frozen right now. 23 CHAIRMAN NEUER: I'm seeing a blank 24 screen with his name on it. 25 MS. PORTER: Yes, I see him frozen. Page 126 1 A. There is nothing that I have seen in 2 the report that has any details on what is up

AIRMAN NEUER: I'm seeing a blank 24 screen with his name on it. 25 MS. PORTER: Yes, I see him frozen. Page 126 1 A. There is nothing that I have seen in 2 the report that has any details on what is up in that 3 area besides the trees, or if they have any future 4 use for that property. 5 So I have not seen anything to say what 6 that's going to be used for, or if it's just going to 7 remain as trees for the long term. 8 Q. With respect to the elevations of the 9 site in the northeastern part of the property where 10 you're looking at or even just moving it north, does 11 the elevation of where that equipment would be have 12 any impact on the ability to locate it there? 13 A. As long as we can obtain a flat site to 14 put the switch gear on, elevation doesn't matter. 15 And then the bus work, you know, the elevation of the 16 bus work is based upon how short or how tall the 17 supporting structures are. 18 Q. And the fact that there's equipment in 19 there today is the likelihood that that's already 20 graded to -- at this point in time to support such 21 equipment? 22 A. It should be a fairly flat site here 23 where this existing equipment will be removed. 24 Because, at the same time, you can just see the top 25 edge of the existing equipment for this south Page 128 1 MR. TURTELTAUB: I will reach out to 2 him and see if I can let him know that. 3 Hold on one second. 4 MR. SCOTT: Time for the Jeopardy 5 music. 6 CHAIRMAN NEUER: I really do have to 7 put that in my phone. 8 BOARD SECRETARY: I guess he got kicked 9 off now. 10 CHAIRMAN NEUER: Tell him to log back 11 in, Jim. 12 MR. TURTELTAUB: That is what I am 13 trying to do, yes. I am trying to get that done. 14 CHAIRMAN NEUER: Tell him to warm up 15 first so he's not frozen. 16 MR. SCOTT: Mr. Chair, it is 10:52, 17 so... 18 CHAIRMAN NEUER: I am there with you. 19 I am going to try to get through his direct and, 20 hopefully, Mr. Turteltaub can get him through 21 quickly; otherwise, we will adjourn. 22 You may want to start looking at your 23 calendar. 24 Diana, you as well. 25 While we're waiting, Diana, what's -- I

65b96228-b9ab-4f72-9291-fa4a14ff04c8 33 (Pages 129 to 132) Page 129 1 know we've got a pretty full agenda in January, 2 right? 3 MR. TURTELTAUB: Mr. Blanton is trying 4 to log back in, so hopefully we'll have him. 5 MS. CHANDLER: I see him. I'll move 6 him over. 7 MR. TURTELTAUB: Okay, thank you. 8 My apologies to everybody. 9 CHAIRMAN NEUER: See if you can give us 10 a sense of how much longer you're going to be on 11 direct. 12 MR. TURTELTAUB: I think we should only 13 be about 15 more minutes or so. 14 We do have his cross-examination. I 15 have no problem if you want to come back at the next 16 meeting and just pick up from here. 17 THE WITNESS: I apologize for that. 18 For some reason I got knocked off. 19 MR. TURTELTAUB: So we were just 20 discussing whether -- as we were approaching the 21 11:00 hour, whether we will continue with you now or 22 not, and I would put it back to Mr. Chairman. 23 CHAIRMAN NEUER: Listen, this is not my 24 decision. 25 Members of the Board, just raise your Page 131 1 what's our next slot? 2 MS. CHANDLER: We could do either 3 January 16th or February 20th. 4 CHAIRMAN NEUER: What do we have on for 5 January 16th? 6 MS. CHANDLER: As of right now, we only 7 have the carryover from Canterbury, 33 Mount 8 Pleasant. 9 CHAIRMAN NEUER: That's not going to be 10 short. 11 And we also have coming up this week a 12 couple of applications that are going to carry over. 13 What's the February date, 14 February 20th? 15 MS. CHANDLER: February 20th. 16 CHAIRMAN NEUER: Ms. Porter, how does 17 February 20th look for you? 18 And I know it's subject to your 19 experts, Mr. Turteltaub. 20 MR. TURTELTAUB: I will make myself 21 available. I don't know my experts' schedules at 22 that point in time. 23 Mr. Blanton, are you available? 24 THE WITNESS: I will make myself 25 available. Page 130 1 hands if you can stick around for another 20 minutes; 2 otherwise, we'll adjourn now and resume at the next 3 meeting. 4 I'm not getting any hands up now, 5 Mr. Turteltaub and Ms. Porter. Not that I'm 6 surprised, not that I'm being critical. 7 VICE CHAIRMAN SCHWARZBAUM: How much 8 longer is his testimony? 9 MR. TURTELTAUB: I think it should be 10 about 10 or 15 minutes. It always takes a little bit 11 different, but I'm happy to return. 12 He's going to have to go through 13 cross-examination next time, and I fully appreciate 14 the fact that you all are

15 minutes. It always takes a little bit 11 different, but I'm happy to return. 12 He's going to have to go through 13 cross-examination next time, and I fully appreciate 14 the fact that you all are volunteers, it's a late 15 hour, and I would be welcoming the opportunity to 16 come back and -- 17 CHAIRMAN NEUER: Yes, Mr. Scott was the 18 only one who raised his hand, but -- 19 VICE CHAIRMAN SCHWARZBAUM: We won't 20 really have time to cross, so -- 21 CHAIRMAN NEUER: No, we won't have time 22 to cross and -- 23 VICE CHAIRMAN SCHWARZBAUM: We'll lose 24 continuity. That's -- 25 CHAIRMAN NEUER: So, Ms. Chandler, Page 132 1 MR. TURTELTAUB: Okay. And I can go 2 offline for one second and check with our third 3 expert. 4 Just hold on one second. 5 MS. PORTER: I am checking with our 6 experts as well. 7 (Brief Pause.) 8 MS. PORTER: Mr. Chairman, is there any 9 possibility for another special hearing in January 10 aside from the regular hearings? 11 CHAIRMAN NEUER: Are you willing to do 12 notice, because -- 13 MS. PORTER: We would be willing to 14 re-notice if we could get one in January. 15 CHAIRMAN NEUER: I'm going to leave it 16 to you and Mr. Turteltaub, two civilized human 17 beings, to communicate with each other and see if you 18 both have -- let me just see. I'll have to poll the 19 board. 20 Our regular meeting is on the 16th. 21 See what you can do for the 9th or the 23rd. See if 22 we can get a quorum. 23 MR. TURTELTAUB: Mr. Blanton, are 24 January 9th or January 23rd, are you available on 25 either of those or both dates.

65b96228-b9ab-4f72-9291-fa4a14ff04c8 34 (Pages 133 to 136) Page 133 1 THE WITNESS: I can make both those 2 dates work. 3 MR. TURTELTAUB: Okay. 4 CHAIRMAN NEUER: Just show of hands if 5 you have your calendars with you, members of the 6 board and professionals, January 9th, if you're 7 available raise your hand, please. 8 I see Mr. Schwarzbaum, Mr. Eben. 9 MR. WILLIAMS: Mr. Chairman, I have a 10 potential conflict on January 9th and the 23rd 11 currently looks okay. 12 CHAIRMAN NEUER: So let's go back to 13 the 23rd. Members of the board and professionals, 14 raise your hand if the 23rd would be an acceptable 15 date for a special meeting. 16 Mr. Barbee, your hand is up. Mr. Eben, 17 Mr. Scott? That's a no? 18 MR. SCOTT: I'm a no on the 23rd. 19 CHAIRMAN NEUER: What I'm going to do 20 is I'm going to adjourn this until the 16th. And a 21 special on the 23rd, we'll announce it at that time 22 so that we don't have to do special notices. 23 If not, then we'll move it to the 20th 24 of February. 25 I didn't hear you, Mr. Scott. Page 135 1 MS. CHANDLER: No. 2 CHAIRMAN NEUER: I can't hear you. 3 MS. CHANDLER: No. 4 CHAIRMAN NEUER: Okay. Is that clear? 5 Does anybody have any questions about scheduling? 6 MR. SCOTT: To confirm, February 20th. 7 CHAIRMAN NEUER: I understand, but 8 we're trying to get as many people as we can. 9 So that without further ado, this 10 hearing is adjourned to January 16th. 11 If you have an interest in the hearing, 12 please come as early as possible so that you will 13 find out when the actual next testimony will be 14 given. 15 That's all we have for tonight. Thank 16 you all very much for your cooperation. This meeting 17 is adjourned. 18 MR. TURTELTAUB: Mr. Chairman, Members 19 of the Board, thank you. 20 CHAIRMAN NEUER: See you next week. 21 (Whereupon, this matter is continuing 22 at a future date. Time noted: 11:01 p.m.) 23 24 25 Page 134 1 MR. SCOTT: Apologies. 2 CHAIRMAN NEUER: Okay. 3 MR. TURTELTAUB: Mr. Chairman, my 4 second witness I understand has a hearing on the 23rd 5 scheduled. I will do -- I will work with her to see 6 if we can arrange her time since it would be the 7 second testimony we'd have that night. 8 I will report back to you if I can get 9 that cleared for her. 10 But she has informed me she has the 11 23rd. She's open on the 9th, but not the 23rd. 12 CHAIRMAN NEUER: Okay. We are going to 13 try to schedule a

back to you if I can get 9 that cleared for her. 10 But she has informed me she has the 11 23rd. She's open on the 9th, but not the 23rd. 12 CHAIRMAN NEUER: Okay. We are going to 13 try to schedule a special meeting on January 23rd. 14 MR. TURTELTAUB: Okay. 15 CHAIRMAN NEUER: This meeting -- this 16 hearing is adjourned until January 16th, at which 17 time we will decide whether or not there will be a 18 special meeting and make the announcement to avoid 19 having to send out additional notices. 20 If we can't continue this hearing on 21 the 23rd of January, on the 16th or January we will 22 announce that it will go forward on the 20th of 23 February. You will be first on the agenda. 24 Is there anything on the agenda yet, 25 Diana, for February? Page 136 1 C E R T I F I C A T E 2 3 I, LAURA A. CARUCCI, C.C.R., R.P.R., a Remote 4 Online Notary Public, Notary ID. #1810618, Certified Court Reporter of the State of New Jersey, and a 5 Registered Professional Reporter, hereby certify that the foregoing is a verbatim record of the testimony 6 provided under oath before any court, referee, board, commission or other body created by statute of the 7 State of New Jersey. I am not related to the parties 8 involved in this action; I have no financial interest, nor am I related to an agent of or employed 9 by anyone with a financial interest in the outcome of this action. 10 This transcript complies with regulation 13:43-5.9 of the New Jersey Administrative 11 Code. 12 13 14 _______________________________ LAURA A. CARUCCI, C.C.R., R.P.R. 15 License #XI02050, and RON Notary Public Notary ID. #1810618, Notary 16 Expiration Date May 27, 2028 17 Dated: 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25

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