December 11, 2024 Planning Board Special Meeting Transcript - WEHI

11 of 38 sheets Page 41 to 44 of 100 01/08/2025 12:06:06 PM 41 And so you're saying you covered much more area1 Q. in your study than they did. Isn't that what you're2 saying?3 Yes, of our study area we covered a higher4 A. percent, correct?5 Correct.6 Q. Which is statistically valid.7 A. But when you say 2.2 percent you mean of only the8 Q. area of disturbance of the proposed development, is that9 correct?10 That is what we were asked to focus on, correct.11 A. Yes.12 And when you say, they have 0.6 percent of the13 Q. area of study, they're using the entire forest of14 approximately 120 acres, correct?15 This is a totally different site plan.16 A. Mr. DeFeo, answer my question.17 Q. I'm trying to.18 A. The 0.6 percent that they're studying was of the19 Q. whole site, correct?20 Of 113 acres, that's correct.21 A. Correct.22 Q. So when you say you have a higher percentage, you23 actually have a lower percentage of the whole forest24 study but a higher percentage of your own area of study25 42 that you focused on, is that correct?1 Yes. Mr. Afran, you seem to have a2 A. misunderstanding of the statistically methodology.3 I don't need you to worry about what I understand4 Q. and don't understand. Let me just ask my questions,5 please. All right.6 So I want to be clear for the record, they7 studied much more square footage or meters of the forest8 than you did, but your study area is a larger percentage9 of the area of disturbance, whereas their's was of the10 whole forest, correct?11 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Wait, wait, hold it. I12 think everyone's getting confused here. There's two13 studies. Both have extrapolated, based on their14 methodology, I'm not saying one is right or wrong, I'm15 just staying there was a methodology used, they16 extrapolated and neither one looked at every tree in the17 forest but each study extrapolated based on statistical18 averages that they used, whatever each group felt was19 reasonable in their hands based on their expertise, and20 extrapolated the whole forest and they said based on21 these areas, so one had three -- in the 2010 study with22 a different project was the three areas, they used a23 larger surface area and extrapolated the whole forest.24 Mr. DeFeo, with computer modeling, picked 22 areas in a25 43 geographically smaller are but still extrapolated the1 whole forest. Is that pretty much what we're all saying2 here?3 MR.

whole forest.24 Mr. DeFeo, with computer modeling, picked 22 areas in a25 43 geographically smaller are but still extrapolated the1 whole forest. Is that pretty much what we're all saying2 here?3 MR. AFRAN: That is one interpretation,4 that's correct. Mr. DeFeo extrapolated the whole forest5 by taking sites only in the area of disturbance.6 Whereas this average from 2010 extrapolates the whole7 forest by taking three areas in different parts of the8 forest. Mr. DeFeo limited it to the present area of9 disturbance.10 Now, my question to Mr. DeFeo --11 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Those also, but truth be12 told, it's also different areas in the forest. The13 first study in 2010 took three areas.14 MR. AFRAN: Obviously, correct.15 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Three different areas.16 Mr. DeFeo also took three different areas in a smaller17 geography but there's multiple different areas. Can we18 agree on that?19 MR. AFRAN: No, we can't. Because Mr.20 DeFeo's --21 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: I want the board to, this22 is important that the board understand.23 MR. AFRAN: Mr. DeFeo took areas from the24 area of disturbance.25 44 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Yes.1 MR. AFRAN: That's where trees were going to2 be removed, so that's what he studied.3 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: The area of disturbance --4 MR. AFRAN: Of this current application.5 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: The area of disturbance in6 2010 was the area that you saw on those blocks.7 Different areas of disturbance.8 MR. AFRAN: Well, in 2010 they were building9 a subdivision throughout much of the forest.10 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: But if you look at the11 houses, because I was on that board, the area where you12 see the, if you can pull that up again. These are13 housing units. So the disturbance, those plots were14 also, based on what I see here and my understanding of15 what you're all saying, the area of disturbance was16 different. So this plots three areas, larger areas, but17 they were still disturbed areas. We're using18 terminology, disturbance, that areas disturbed, that19 areas disturbed and that areas disturbed. Is that20 something we can agree on?21 MR. AFRAN: No, we can't. I don't know22 you're correct.23 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: You're saying that there24 is no disturbance in these three areas?25