June 30, 2025, Planning Board Special Meeting Transcript - WEHI

08/07/2025 02:56:42 PM Page 77 to 80 of 175 20 of 70 sheets 77 approvals are given first with the understanding that1 all these other provisions on safety will be put into2 place effectively approved by the Township, the3 municipality and then implemented and monitored.4 MR. AFRAN: You've answered my question,5 there's no reason why it couldn't be done now for6 example?7 THE WITNESS: I don't know. I don't speak8 for the owner.9 MR. AFRAN: Are you aware of any reasons why10 a blasting plan could not be prepared in advance of11 construction and in advance of the decision on this12 application?13 THE WITNESS: I don't know of any.14 MR. AFRAN: Okay.15 Now, you mentioned --16 MR. PLOCKER: Because it's not an ordinance17 requirement.18 MR. AFRAN: There's a lot of things that are19 not ordinance requirements and there's an environmental20 review for example and all of this leads to questions21 that do relate to broader problems. If we don't even22 know how far the linear impact will be it's relevant.23 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Mr. Afran.24 MR. AFRAN: I'm not arguing with Bryan.25 78 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: I'm waiting for you to ask1 a question.2 MR. AFRAN: Thank you.3 Now, you mentioned a few minutes ago in4 response to one of the last questions that there are5 impacts on human beings from blasting noise or6 vibration, is that correct?7 THE WITNESS: I'm sorry, could you repeat8 that.9 MR. AFRAN: I'm sorry. I believe you10 mentioned a little while ago that there are impacts from11 blasting noise or vibrations potentially on human12 beings, is that correct?13 THE WITNESS: That is the reason those14 conditions exist, because of the potential for impact on15 people and dwellings.16 MR. AFRAN: Now I couldn't hear you.17 THE WITNESS: Potential for some form of18 impact on humans or on dwellings.19 MR. AFRAN: Now, what impacts would20 typically be seen -- by those impacts you mean potential21 neurological impacts for example?22 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Don't testify as to --23 MR. PLOCKER: Objection. I don't think he24 qualifies as a neurological expert.25 79 MR. AFRAN: I'm posing a leading question1 because that's the job of the cross examiner.2 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: You have to ask him what's3 the impact. Let him answer the question.4 MR. AFRAN: No, I don't have to ask him5 what's the impact. I can pose a proposition to him,6 that's cross examination. Ms. McGovern will agree with7 that

t's3 the impact. Let him answer the question.4 MR. AFRAN: No, I don't have to ask him5 what's the impact. I can pose a proposition to him,6 that's cross examination. Ms. McGovern will agree with7 that point.8 MS. McGOVERN: Leading questions are9 permitted on cross examination.10 MR. AFRAN: That's the whole point. To put11 a proposition to the witness. Ask him to agree or12 disagree.13 MS. McGOVERN: If the question is outside of14 what his expertise is, then that is a problem.15 MR. AFRAN: Most certainly is not in this16 instance.17 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Well, let him answer what18 his expertise is.19 MR. AFRAN: When you said there would be20 impacts or could be impacts, what kind of impacts on21 human beings were you thinking of?22 THE WITNESS: Common impacts are nuisance,23 bothersome noise levels. Impacts to hearing, if a noise24 is so incredibly loud that it somehow impacts hearing,25 80 that's not something I'm qualified to testify to, but1 just in general.2 And then with buildings, it could be minor3 shaking of things off walls, cracking of sheetrock,4 dislocation of joints or something like that. Door5 jambs, that kind of -- those kinds of impacts that are6 not uncommon or not uncommonly monitored in this7 instance.8 MR. AFRAN: When Dr. Pannullo was asking you9 questions, she's the individual who said she's a10 neuroscientist. I belive you said impacts to hearing11 are known to be among hazards from blasting noise?12 THE WITNESS: I don't know that I said13 known, but I know it's one of the things that are14 monitored. That's a concern, that someone's hearing15 could be impacted in general terms.16 MR. AFRAN: Thank you. That's all I was17 asking.18 Thank you. That's all I have.19 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Thank you.20 MR. PLOCKER: May I.21 MR. AFRAN: Thank you.22 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Mr. Plocker.23 MR. PLOCKER: I'm not going to say it, but I24 just want to say for the record, that all 200-foot25