June 30, 2025, Planning Board Special Meeting Transcript - WEHI

08/07/2025 02:56:42 PM Page 109 to 112 of 175 28 of 70 sheets 109 done. As opposed to pointing to something in the past.1 Mr. Klein, you want to say something.2 MR. KLEIN: How do you know they're three3 times as many people?4 MR. AFRAN: Because there are 500 units as5 opposed to 136.6 MR. KLEIN: How many bedrooms were in 1367 and how many bedrooms total now?8 MR. AFRAN: Obviously it's not an exact9 figure.10 MR. KLEIN: Well, then how could you give us11 these facts?12 MR. AFRAN: I didn't say he was giving you13 the facts.14 MR. KLEIN: No, no. I mean --15 MR. AFRAN: I was simply stating as a16 proposition we have a larger plan -- well, if it's the17 same number of people physically then it's very close18 actually to the actual plan.19 MR. KLEIN: Well, that's what I'm saying. I20 don't know if it's the same number of people. We heard21 from their traffic engineer level of service were fine,22 it operates fine.23 MR. AFRAN: I was just saying as a general24 proposition when you're 500 units versus 136 you're25 110 obviously getting many more people.1 MR. KLEIN: 136 single family homes with2 maybe four bedrooms versus 2 -- 1 and 2 bedroom units.3 MR. AFRAN: Still getting more people.4 MR. KLEIN: More but not three times as5 many.6 MR. AFRAN: I wasn't stating it as a7 mathematical --8 MR. KLEIN: You said it like three times.9 Three times as many people. I would like to know where10 you came up with the number, that's all.11 MR. AFRAN: It's just a general proposition.12 You got 500 living units, you have 136, you're going to13 get more people and I was simply saying because we have14 three times more we're probably getting three times more15 people. That's all.16 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Okay.17 MR. AFRAN: I wasn't really -- I was meaning18 it as a point of legal argument that just because it's19 bigger doesn't mean the issues weren't the same in part.20 That's all I meant. I wasn't trying to testify about21 the numbers. I was simply pointing out just because22 it's bigger it doesn't mean we don't have issues in23 common.24 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Okay. We're going to move25 111 on. We're not going to refer to the previous1 application in its entirety or in specific pieces2 because if there are things in this application that the3 objectors have issue with they can bring them up. Let's4 move on.5 Mr. Tractenberg, you have the floor, sir.6 THE PUBLIC: Appreciate the opportunity

e if there are things in this application that the3 objectors have issue with they can bring them up. Let's4 move on.5 Mr. Tractenberg, you have the floor, sir.6 THE PUBLIC: Appreciate the opportunity to7 testify, all though it's been truncated, I think.8 Nonetheless, I want to speak to two things that I think9 are germane. One is the history of this process, this10 development process, this development effort, not11 necessarily in terms of what the board did previously12 but how it evolved and how it continues to be strongly13 contested. And I do think that is germane.14 I moved into West Orange in 1998. I do not15 have an expert map, I don't know whether Mr. Fagan can16 put it up there. I have copies for you, but it's the17 best I could do and it tries to suggest both where I18 live and the relationship between Warner Road and Kuzik19 Drive.20 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Mr. Fagan, you have Mr.21 Tractenberg's --22 MR. FAGAN: I'm getting it up.23 MR. PLOCKER: Bruce, can we confirm that24 this was not previously filed with the board?25 112 MR. AFRAN: Oh, yeah, yeah.1 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: All right.2 Mr. Tractenberg.3 MS. McGOVERN: It's going to be number O-15.4 THE PUBLIC: Okay.5 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Could you identify what6 this is?7 THE PUBLIC: The lines at the very top8 differentiates Block 179 Lot 32.9 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: 32.10 THE PUBLIC: So 11 Luff Lane is where I11 lived for 18 years. It's directly, it is directly12 adjacent to Block 179 Lot 32. Warner Road intersects13 with that property and runs down until it connects, it14 connects to Warner Road which eventually connects to15 Eagle Rock Avenue. Eagle Rocks the first public road.16 I'm familiar with this having lived there all those17 years. This is Kuzik Drive, which is not proposed for18 general access but is a possible fallback and from19 having lived in that neighborhood I just want to point20 out that Kuzik runs for far less than a half a mile. It21 lines up a tenth of a mile down Warner Road from where22 Warner Road intersects with Block 179 Lot 32. So to the23 extent one would consider opening up Kuzik, all it does24 is run by some residential buildings and connect about a25