June 30, 2025, Planning Board Special Meeting Transcript - WEHI

08/07/2025 02:56:42 PM Page 21 to 24 of 175 6 of 70 sheets 21 MR. PLOCKER: I want to, hopefully we can1 just make a clear record, Mr. Afran. I believe that not2 the objector group but a comment made by an individual3 or individual members of the public who made comments or4 asked Mr. Seel questions on January 29 prompted5 questions whether the applicant would consider extra6 additional geological testing. After the meeting we did7 get back to the board, I believe I did it through Ms.8 McGovern, and we said that we were willing to perform9 additional testing. That testing was performed and it10 resulted in the revised report that Mr. Seel's firm11 issued this month. So I just wanted to make that clear12 for the record.13 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Thank you.14 Mr. Afran.15 MR. AFRAN: Thank you.16 Did you, I am not asking this by way of17 Q. criticism, I am really trying to lay a background. Did18 you read Princeton Hydro's report?19 I have not seen it.20 A. Okay.21 Q. And you didn't hear Mr. Walsh from Princeton22 Hydro, Mr. Gallagher, testify?23 I did not.24 A. So what you did hear was not necessarily25 Q. 22 responding to what they were talking about?1 I did not respond, I wasn't aware of any of their2 A. comments.3 Okay.4 Q. So when there was questions about, asked from the5 board whether this related to the mottling that6 Princeton Hydro spoke to, that wasn't really what you7 were looking for, was it?8 I had no knowledge of Princeton Hydro's report,9 A. so I couldn't respond to it. It's something that we do10 normally as part of our investigation.11 And you don't know where he was referring to in12 Q. terms of what he said was incorrect measurements or lack13 of proper measurements?14 I have no idea what he was referring to. I did15 A. not see his report.16 Okay.17 Q. So we can't say what you did is necessarily18 responsive to what he was saying?19 I can't say that.20 A. Okay. I wanted to clarify that.21 Q. I am going to hold off on any questions because I22 am not an expert and we have a geotechnical engineer23 listening in and we may call him or her, I am not sure24 who it is, and they will testify if we feel the need,25 23 but I don't want to burden the board with questions and1 any across that I don't really have expert knowledge in.2 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Okay.3 Do any members of the public have any questions4 for Mr. Seel on his latest presentation and report,

th questions and1 any across that I don't really have expert knowledge in.2 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Okay.3 Do any members of the public have any questions4 for Mr. Seel on his latest presentation and report, June5 13, 2025?6 State you name for the record.7 THE PUBLIC: Deborah Butensky, Rappleye8 Court, West Orange.9 Any way I can get a map to see where the10 borings were done, because I'm totally unclear where11 they were done?12 MR. FAGAN: What map would you be looking13 for?14 THE WITNESS: Go to Figure 1 in our report.15 MR. FAGAN: I don't have your report.16 MR. AFRAN: Could I just ask while we're17 waiting. People really brought to my attention they18 can't really hear because of the air-conditioning, which19 we need. So if any people who can't hear can move20 forward, but when people talk, I'll try and keep my21 voice up. It was really brought up that people are22 having trouble hearing. So I just want to stress now23 that the air is back on if people could talk up, because24 it keeps being brought to my attention. I know my voice25 24 breaks all the time, so I'm not guilty, but if we could1 try.2 MR. CARDOZA: Feel free to move the mic3 closer to your mouth, Mr. Afran.4 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Can you identify this5 report, please?6 MR. AFRAN: Could we zoom in a little bit7 more.8 MR. PLOCKER: Joe, that's not you.9 MR. AFRAN: Mr. Seel, is that --10 THE WITNESS: Yes, that looks like the one.11 MR. AFRAN: That would be the Investigation12 Plan with the number 1 on it.13 MR. FAGAN: Is that it here?14 MR. PLOCKER: Bruce, do you have a PDF page?15 THE WITNESS: Yes, that's it. Yeah.16 MR. AFRAN: PDF page -- oh, he's got it.17 That's it.18 THE PUBLIC: Does anybody have a laser19 pointer?20 Can you delineate the borings? Can you21 please delineate, perhaps he has a laser pointer, where22 the new borings were done, where the borings were made?23 MS. McGOVERN: So Council Person Scarpa, can24 you see the laser pointer? Because if not, I am going25