July 30, 2025, Planning Board Special Meeting Transcript - WEHI

09/16/2025 06:29:53 AM Page 53 to 56 of 130 14 of 33 sheets 53 opinion is this project needs a water tower for fire1 suppression?2 MR. AFRAN: He said that unless you have3 evidence of supplying water to a project of this nature4 and unless you have evidence of showing how you are5 going to supply water in an emergency when the pumping6 station, which he also said were not on the plans,7 should fail, you would need a water suppression tower as8 a measure in an emergency. That's not speculation. He9 said those are not there and in his professional opinion10 those are required.11 Now, how come other witnesses have stood12 here and given statements and you never said their13 professional opinions were speculation. You are14 prejudicing this case.15 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: I am asking. I'm just16 asking. So the board should take this information he17 says, again, his professional opinion is that this18 project overall needs a water tower as part of the fire19 suppression system.20 MR. AFRAN: That's not speculation. He's21 giving you an opinion of what he thinks is needed.22 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: That's what I want the23 board to know. It is his opinion.24 MR. AFRAN: Before you said the gentleman25 54 was speculating, now you're getting back to the proper1 text.2 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: I'm asking if that's his3 opinion, if that's his opinion then and that's what the4 board is interested in.5 MR. AFRAN: That's fair enough. But I'm6 just stating it's not appropriate to call it7 speculation.8 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Are you ready? Okay.9 Mr. Plocker, go right ahead.10 MR. PLOCKER: Thank you.11 Mr. Green, is it your testimony, I just want to12 Q. confirm, that there were no fire hydrants provided on13 this site plan?14 There were none shown.15 A. Are you sure?16 Q. I looked for them, I couldn't find them.17 A. Well, maybe you missed them again?18 Q. MR. AFRAN: Excuse me. He never said he19 missed anything. That's improper.20 MR. PLOCKER: He said it's possible. He21 said it was possible.22 MR. AFRAN: He never said he missed23 anything. So to say maybe you missed them again24 suggests he admitted he missed them.25 55 MR. PLOCKER: We're not getting anywhere.1 MR. AFRAN: That's not proper2 cross-examination.3 MS. McGOVERN: Why don't you let him ask the4 question.5 MR. AFRAN: I let him ask the question and6 he's assuming and the board is going to take the7 impression that this gentleman admitted

amination.3 MS. McGOVERN: Why don't you let him ask the4 question.5 MR. AFRAN: I let him ask the question and6 he's assuming and the board is going to take the7 impression that this gentleman admitted he missed8 evidence. He never said that.9 MS. McGOVERN: I think that we're getting to10 that, I'm assuming.11 MR. AFRAN: I don't think we are. I think12 we're seeing inference upon inference.13 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: We're listening to14 everybody.15 MR. AFRAN: Okay.16 Did you review the testimony from the applicants17 Q. engineer when he testified?18 Some of it.19 A. But not all of it?20 Q. I was provided stuff.21 A. All right. What stuff were you provided?22 Q. I have it in my bag. I don't have it in my head.23 A. But you clearly testified you made certain24 Q. conclusions, you're now saying you were provided with25 56 certain "stuff." What was that stuff?1 Most of what I got was traffic related and this2 A. testimony today is not related to traffic.3 So I'm going to ask you again. What stuff was4 Q. your testimony based upon?5 What I reviewed in the drawings. The 66 pages.6 A. So you only -- your testimony is that you only7 Q. reviewed the site plan?8 The engineering plans, yes. The 66 pages of it.9 A. You didn't review anything else?10 Q. No.11 A. Okay.12 Q. Who's the water utility for this property? Who13 services this area.14 MR. AFRAN: Wait. Wait. The area or the15 property? Those are two different things. There's16 nothing on the property so are you asking about the17 water service in the area or the property?18 What water utility services the area?19 Q. I believe it's American Water.20 A. New Jersey American Water?21 Q. Yeah.22 A. All right.23 Q. In connection with your testimony did you contact24 New Jersey American Water?25