July 30, 2025, Planning Board Special Meeting Transcript - WEHI

09/16/2025 06:29:53 AM Page 109 to 112 of 130 28 of 33 sheets 109 one thing, degrading an existing full forest is quite1 another. To create a microforest because you don't have2 any, that's a different question from destroying one3 that exists.4 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Actually it was using5 parts of the forest. Also there's information based on6 the National Forestry Service about this, how you can7 upgrade a forest with a microforest. There's many8 tentacles to this and we would like to find out more9 about it.10 MR. AFRAN: I have no objection to finding11 out through experts. Just suddenly publically just12 talking about it.13 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: It just came to light.14 MS. McGOVERN: It was just in The New York15 Times last week and it seemed applicable to a lot of16 different projects in town.17 MR. PLOCKER: So Chairman Bagoff, if we18 could review the article, I'll get in contact with Ms.19 McGovern.20 MR. AFRAN: Would you please send me the21 article. I didn't see it.22 MS. McGOVERN: Sure.23 MR. AFRAN: I think it's an open question to24 relevance but let's review it.25 110 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Thank you.1 You're on, sir.2 MR. AFRAN: Yes, okay. So I did not reach3 Mr. Goll, but I'll -- we'll talk about that at the end.4 So Mr. Pannullo wishes to speak to certain issues. My5 feeling is that I'm not in a position to say you can't.6 I don't I have that type of control over anybody. He7 will proffer certain documents, I don't think it matters8 who proffers them, if the board does not wish him to,9 Mr. Chairman you can say so, I can proffer them. And he10 has certain other matters he wishes to address. So I am11 not in a position of saying yes or no.12 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: If it comes as public13 comment we're going to stop it.14 MR. AFRAN: I think it relates more to the15 manner of going forward and procedure and he believes16 certain things need to be stated in addition to17 proffering certain documents.18 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: The procedure is the19 function of the board and attorney, so if there's issues20 of how things should go that's a question for the board21 attorney.22 MR. AFRAN: I can only say Mr. Pannullo,23 after speaking with me, wishes to go forward and I don't24 have any ability to say to anyone that they --25 111 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Let's go forward. We'll1 see what happens.2 MR. PLOCKER: Well, what documents are we3 talking about?4 MS. McGOVERN: I don't know.5 MR.

any ability to say to anyone that they --25 111 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Let's go forward. We'll1 see what happens.2 MR. PLOCKER: Well, what documents are we3 talking about?4 MS. McGOVERN: I don't know.5 MR. AFRAN: He will read them off.6 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: We don't know.7 MR. AFRAN: They're in that e-mail actually.8 MR. PLOCKER: Which I don't have, for the9 record. Can I receive -- can I get the e-mail.10 MS. McGOVERN: The e-mail should have been11 sent to you.12 MR. FAGAN: I can put it up on the screen.13 MR. PLOCKER: Can I see it.14 MR. AFRAN: Not all of it's relevant to this15 particular portion.16 MS. McGOVERN: Let's send the e-mail to Mr.17 Plocker.18 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Send it to Mr. Plocker.19 We're not going put it up.20 Mr. Pannullo.21 MS. McGOVERN: Please raise your right-hand.22 Do swear to tell the truth the whole truth nothing but23 the truth.24 THE WITNESS: I do.25 112 MS. McGOVERN: Put your full name on the1 record, please.2 THE WITNESS: Joseph Pannullo.3 MS. McGOVERN: Your address.4 THE WITNESS: 200-foot notice area. Essex5 Fells.6 J O S E P H P A N N U L L O, having been7 duly sworn under oath testifies as follows:8 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Sir. I said go ahead.9 THE PUBLIC: Simply the first issue, the10 documents should already be in the hands of everyone11 here, because they are a series of e-mails that started12 prior to today which is the first anniversary of the13 first hearing, July 30. But we all know there were two14 hearing dates that were set prior, July 16 and 17th and15 those dates were cancelled and they were cancelled not16 on the record anywhere, that's why I'm asking that these17 be made part of the application. The application was18 approved June 25, these are just e-mails and19 correspondence. You already got them. I'm on the20 e-mails, Bill Potter's on the e-mails, Diana McGovern is21 on the e-mails, the Planning Boards on the e-mails, even22 counsels on the e-mail. You got them already. They're23 just not in evidence in the record in this application24 prior to the first hearing, but from the date it was25