July 30, 2025, Planning Board Special Meeting Transcript - WEHI

31 of 33 sheets Page 121 to 124 of 130 09/16/2025 06:29:53 AM 121 THE PUBLIC: Okay. So I appreciate the1 time. So I'm going to guess that these hearings will2 not go six or seven more months, I hope, but the3 transcripts that don't exist in the record from January4 until what's this week, August, we'll assign and maybe5 we'll see something. But then before it's all over they6 will get done. But it's notable the discretion or the7 difference, the inequity of what we have to deal with8 and I just want to make sure that's clear now because9 we're dealing with the complications of it. That's all.10 MS. McGOVERN: I understand that but, you11 know, one of the holdups have been we have been waiting12 for documents that were brought in at the last minute on13 your end of the case. Objectors side of the case. And14 they weren't supplied. And we can't post a complete15 record if we don't have the documents. And they're in16 your possession, that's why we've asked, yes, you're not17 subject to the ten-day rule like the applicant, but if18 you're going to start introducing stuff at the hearing19 and then we have to wait to have it sent a week, a month20 or so later, that causes a delay as well.21 THE PUBLIC: I appreciate that. I learned22 about that a few weeks ago. I have presented some to23 Jamilet and she's catching up with it. I didn't know24 about it. If there's anything missing, I don't see25 122 communications, but I'm here certainly enough and I did1 provide what I could and I do think there's one2 outstanding. Anyway, I appreciate your forbearance. I3 do thank you and public comment, I am a fact witness,4 I'm not an expert, there are things that came out5 tonight. We're good. I appreciate the good grace.6 Thank you.7 MR. PLOCKER: Mr. Chairman.8 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Mr. Plocker.9 MR. PLOCKER: Mr. Chairman, just for the10 record, to be clear that, this is our court reporter11 here and we've had a court reporter every meeting, those12 transcripts are eventually prepared and sent out to us,13 when we receive them we do send them into the board14 secretary.15 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Thank you.16 Okay. Mr. Afran.17 MR. AFRAN: You know, I -- following along18 the lines of that, all though it wouldn't be official,19 if Mr. Plocker could copy me that would actually allow20 me to send them to my client quickly and possibly21 eliminate some of the issue.22 MR. PLOCKER: Should I send

though it wouldn't be official,19 if Mr. Plocker could copy me that would actually allow20 me to send them to my client quickly and possibly21 eliminate some of the issue.22 MR. PLOCKER: Should I send the invoice to23 you or should my client?24 MR. AFRAN: It's irrelevant, if the board is25 123 using these as minutes, I ain't paying for it.1 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Thank you very much for2 the comment. Okay.3 MR. AFRAN: I have one quick question --4 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Yes, sir.5 MR. AFRAN: -- concerning what we were6 discussing earlier. If Mr. Plocker's client is going to7 commit to funding for any additional expertise8 concerning forestry, I'd appreciate being copied on any9 communications simultaneously so I know, you know, what10 is happening, when, and possibly the extent of the11 funding being proposed.12 I would also note I have a series of doubt13 about the relevance of this question of microforests. I14 know something about this subject, and they're generally15 scientific tools designed to study the stresses on --16 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Let's not testify.17 MR. AFRAN: No, no. I'm not testifying.18 MR. PLOCKER: Yes, you are.19 MR. AFRAN: I'm raising an issue of20 relevance. Well, then I won't speak of personal21 knowledge except the following --22 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Well, then what I'm going23 to say is, submit your request to the Planning Board,24 the Planning Board will decide if the information is25 124 relevant or not.1 MR. AFRAN: Well, you had a discussion2 discussing how it was relevant. I do want to point out3 why I think it's not and the scientific tools designed4 to study how to avoid stresses on forests. For example5 in the Amazon they're sometimes intentionally created to6 study that question. That is not relevant to the7 question of the environmental harm from destroying an8 existing forest and I'll raise a strong objection to9 offering testimony about studies from microforest10 experiments in order to evaluate whether we should be11 destroying --12 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: We're not there.13 MR. AFRAN: Okay. I'm just rising an issue14 of relevancy at the earliest opportunity.15 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: If it comes up then you16 can object, I understand that. But we're not there yet,17 so.18 MR. AFRAN: I want to make it clear what our19 position will be.20 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Okay.21 MR. AFRAN: Okay.22 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Thank you. Appreciate23 that.24 MR. AFRAN: We are done

there yet,17 so.18 MR. AFRAN: I want to make it clear what our19 position will be.20 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Okay.21 MR. AFRAN: Okay.22 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Thank you. Appreciate23 that.24 MR. AFRAN: We are done for this evening25