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Minutes · Aug 25, 2025

August 25, 2025, Planning Board Special Meeting Transcript - WEHI

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 121 One on that side, one on that side and you are the arbitrator of what -- MR. RIZZO: Mr. Chairman, we can review that and prepare a letter on that. CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Thank you very much. Okay. Ladies and gentlemen -- MS. KAPFERER: Just to clarify something asked about signatures. Anything on the environmental commission letter Mr. Alper and I were -- Ken was serving and I came on and we, neither of us were a part of the letter process because it was when we were in transition, so we missed the meetings about that letter. MR. ALPER: As well, I had -- I didn't accept my reappointment, but when we talked about it last year I recused myself from that process and there was only, I think, one environmental commission -- there was only a single environmental commission meeting after, once you were appointed, and that took place on the night when we had a planning board, so you weren't there. So neither of us participated in that environmental commission at all. CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Okay. For the record. MS. KAPFERER: For the record. CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: So the next regular Planning Board meeting will be held September 3, 2025 at

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 122 6:30 PM, township chambers. This application will be carried without further notice to that date, September 3, 2025, 6:30 PM council chambers and you will be able to watch via zoom. The next Special Planning Board meeting will be held September 10, 2025 at 6:30 PM council chambers and that meeting we will discuss the fourth round housing element fair share plan. (Hearing concludes at 9:45 PM.)

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 123 C E R T I F I C A T E I, ERIC S. FISHMAN, a Shorthand Reporter and Notary Public of the State of New Jersey do hereby certify that the foregoing is a true and accurate transcript of the testimony as taken stenographically by and before me at the time, place and on the date hereinbefore set forth, to the best of my ability. I DO FURTHER CERTIFY that I am neither a relative nor employee nor attorney nor counsel of any of the parties to the action; and that I am neither a relative nor employee of such attorney or counsel; and that I am not financially interested in the action. --------------------- ERIC S. FISHMAN, S.R. Dated:__________________

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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 124 SIGNATURE PAGE/ERRATA SHEET WITNESS: CASE REFERENCE: INSTRUCTIONS TO WITNESS After you have read your transcript, please note any errors in transcript on this page. Do not mark on the transcript itself. Please sign and date this sheet as indicated below. If additional lines are required for corrections, attach additional sheets. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ERROR OR AMENDMENT/REASON FOR CHANGE ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Page Line ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have read my transcript and subscribed to its accuracy, to include the corrections or amendments noted above or hereto attached: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Signature of Witness Date

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