November 10, 2025 Planning Board Special Meeting - WEHI Transcript

15 of 28 sheets Page 57 to 60 of 112 01/05/2026 03:19:18 PM 57 EM-110-21902 -- strike that.1 EM-110-2908, requiring a minimum safety factor of2 2.00, would not be applicable to this type of project?3 Correct.4 A. Right. Because --5 Q. That's our opinion.6 A. Right. But then you said that if this project7 Q. was built on the slope it could be applicable. It might8 be wise in that case to use the Munsell method?9 That would be, that would be the way I would have10 A. approached the analysis.11 Now, the buildings only, I think, 7-seven feet12 Q. from the actual ridge line, is that correct?13 No, it's from -- well, the actually ridge line, I14 A. think it's more than 7-feet.15 Well, this has been an issue going through this16 Q. case to define where the building is in relationship to17 the actual high point. Are you able to say how close18 the building is to the actual high point?19 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Mr. Afran, Mr. Plocker20 wants to say something.21 THE WITNESS: Well --22 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Mr. Kleinberg, hold on for23 one second.24 MR. PLOCKER: No, I'm saying I don't know if25 58 that was part the assignment or something we studied.1 Obviously the line that we're talking about that we need2 to stay west of pursuant to the ordinance, is in the3 concept plan that was attached to the settlement4 agreement and there's also reference in the ordinance,5 which does describe it. I don't know he was tasked with6 that. I just want to make a clear record, if it's not7 something he reviewed or was tasked with then probably8 shouldn't ask the question.9 MR. AFRAN: No, was the engineer evaluating10 --11 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: It's my turn.12 Let's ask Mr. Kleinberg. Go right ahead,13 sir.14 MR. AFRAN: I am not sure he has the15 question.16 THE WITNESS: I think you're referring to the17 actual knob or the crest of the ridge, and the building18 is, I don't think it's as close as seven, it may be, but19 it's not -- we were talking about the influence to the20 area where the slope begins to drop.21 Right.22 Q. And that's 40 to 100 feet away.23 A. That, because further north there's no building24 Q. and the area where it may drop above those houses?25 59 I'm talking about what they did with their1 A. analysis sections A and B, I think it is. They -- that2 was, those address the building, the actual building and3 the slope that runs further down to the lots down near4 the main road,

with their1 A. analysis sections A and B, I think it is. They -- that2 was, those address the building, the actual building and3 the slope that runs further down to the lots down near4 the main road, but.5 Right. That's above on the northern part of the6 Q. map where there's some private homes below the soil7 boring drops?8 Right. And those homes are relatively close.9 A. My question is this. You said if it was built on10 Q. the slope it would be reasonable to use the higher Army11 Corps standard. Now, my question I guess is, how close12 to the high point of the slope is to close to use the13 lower standard? When would you want to use the more14 conservative standard?15 Well. What Langan did is they did a slope16 A. stability analysis assuming the building is where it's17 shown on the plan and it had no effect on this, the18 computer factors of safety, so.19 And you based that, I thought you said because20 Q. they were above the 1.5 level?21 Yes.22 A. So my question is, if it would be prudent to use23 Q. the 2.0, a more conservative safety figure, if you're24 building on a slope. At what point would you want to25 60 start applying a more conservative approach as you get1 closer to the ridge?2 Oh, if I was 100 feet down the slope. Something3 A. like that.4 We are not 100 feet down the slope, we are5 Q. actually very close to the ridge line?6 Right. And it's more stable there, in my7 A. opinion.8 Okay. So you're saying if it was two slopes, the9 Q. further from the ridge line the more concerned you would10 be?11 Right.12 A. But as you are at the higher point you are less13 Q. concerned?14 Right.15 A. Okay. I wanted to understand what you were16 Q. saying.17 Are you familiar with the term, rockfall?18 Yes.19 A. Like a rockfall zone or catch free zone?20 Q. Yes.21 A. What do those terms mean?22 Q. That means when you have a, like on a highway23 A. slope and the slopes above it and rock comes off and24 falls down to the bottom of the slope, sometimes it25