November 10, 2025 Planning Board Special Meeting - WEHI Transcript

19 of 28 sheets Page 73 to 76 of 112 01/05/2026 03:19:18 PM 73 Okay.1 Q. And it is said that it should be -- the Army2 Corps Manual actually says it should be done, right?3 Recommends it, yes.4 A. And they didn't actually do it or didn't present5 Q. it one way or the other, right?6 I am not 100 percent sure when they did it.7 A. Of if they did it?8 Q. They said they did.9 A. Okay. But if it's -- thank you.10 Q. You mentioned something here about stockpiling or11 the presence of heavy machinery would reduce the12 stability of the slope, is that correct?13 Could.14 A. Could. So where you say, "surcharges resulting15 Q. from the stockpiling of materials and heavy equipment16 should not be permitted on the ridge immediately above17 the slope to avoid a reduction of the stability of the18 slope." That's what you say in number 4?19 Yes.20 A. And you think it a prudent proper engineering21 Q. position?22 Yes.23 A. Now, you also say equipment -- "heavy equipment24 Q. shouldn't be placed in that same position to reduce the25 74 stability of the slope."1 Yes, I did.2 A. Well, how on earth do you build this 800 foot3 Q. long building maybe seven, eight, ten feet from the high4 point of the ridge without putting this heavy equipment5 in the very place you said it shouldn't be?6 What I'm trying to -- you don't have to7 A. necessarily operate the equipment on the east side of8 the building. It can be done.9 It can be done?10 Q. And you should just avoid running the equipment11 A. on the slope as a manner of prudent practice and we're12 recommending that be included in the excavation work13 plan.14 So as a condition of approval you're saying that15 Q. in construction no heavy equipment should be on the east16 side of where the building will go?17 Well, that's to general.18 A. You said it in your testimony.19 Q. Well, I mean, I think it's, that's a more -- I am20 A. talking about excavation equipment when I made the21 recommendation, not erection equipment for the building.22 Okay.23 Q. So you're saying that heavy excavation equipment24 should not be on the slope on the east part of where the25 75 building will go?1 Right. In other words, operating on the east2 A. side of the building beyond the area of disturbance3 shown on the plan.4 Wait, wait. The area of disturbance you're5 Q. saying that -- let's clarify this. We have Building D,6 it's this long structure 800 feet

he building beyond the area of disturbance3 shown on the plan.4 Wait, wait. The area of disturbance you're5 Q. saying that -- let's clarify this. We have Building D,6 it's this long structure 800 feet long. The right side7 on the drawing map, I think the east side of the8 building, runs along the ridge line, correct?9 Correct, and they show a limit of excavation.10 A. Right. Now you're saying that at the point from11 Q. the limit of excavation on the eastern side of the12 excavation pit that 800 foot strip, there should be no13 excavating equipment from that point to the top of the14 ridge, is that what you're saying?15 That's what I would recommend, yes.16 A. And you recommend that as a condition of approval17 Q. built into this plan?18 If that's -- I said that and I think it should19 A. be, but.20 You were pretty sure of it when you testified,21 Q. why are you having trouble?22 MR. PLOCKER: That's an acceptable condition23 of approval. Absolutely.24 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Let him answer the25 76 question, please.1 Okay. Okay. I guess maybe it should be included2 A. in the work plan as a requirement.3 What about if fire vehicles have to go on the4 Q. eastern side of the property?5 MR. PLOCKER: Objection.6 Is that weight that would be --7 Q. CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: I don't know -- are you8 qualified to answer --9 MR. AFRAN: You don't know my question yet.10 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: I want to find out if he11 is qualified to talk about fire vehicles and its weight.12 That's all.13 Are you qualified to talk about a fire engine and14 its weight? Different size fire engines.15 THE WITNESS: Yes, I am.16 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Okay.17 Go right ahead.18 Are there any -- I heard someone say they would19 Q. be to close because you can't get that close to a drop20 zone, so you wouldn't normally have a vehicle there21 anyway, so that may be resolved. I think we talked22 about it with the architect, Mr. Rizzo, originally. So23 there wouldn't normally be fire vehicles on the eastern24 side. So you're saying to construct this safely, aside25