December 10, 2025, Planning Board Special Meeting - WEHI Transcript

13 of 55 sheets Page 49 to 52 of 144 01/14/2026 10:36:25 AM 49 front of you. It's dated December 3 -- I'm sorry.1 December 5. It's the third page in the packet.2 The third page.3 A. Bottom half says, "Sam, as requested on4 Q. 12/3/2025, attached are."5 Okay. Yes.6 A. And there's a date of December 5 just above that.7 Q. Now, at that point you had already disclosed that8 there was a December 1 and 2nd communication, which I9 didn't know about, and I asked you to produce that,10 which you did. So you already knew by the time you got11 the December 5 e-mail that representing the objector I12 wanted to see what communication you had with the other13 sides engineer, correct?14 I assumed that's why I prepared the package15 A. tonight.16 But you didn't offer it until I started asking17 Q. questions about what communication you had. Why didn't18 you just offer it right off the board as a summary, as19 supplemental to your testimony?20 I, I, I was going to begin discussing it and I21 A. assumed you would ask, as you did the last time.22 Why didn't just forward it to -- oh, so you23 Q. depended on my asking it and if I happened to not24 realize you had additional communication what was I25 50 supposed to do?1 I, I had no intention of not disclosing anything2 A. we're talking about and in my testimony tonight.3 Why didn't you immediately send that to me and4 Q. Mr. Goll at that point when you received this5 communication Friday, December 5?6 I was, I was continuing with a series of7 A. conversations in order to get additional submittals from8 Langan.9 Well, you got one on December 5, why didn't you10 Q. immediately forward it to Mr. Goll? You knew how to11 find Mr. Goll, he's your colleague. I'm certainly not12 unknown to you either. So why didn't you forward it?13 I didn't realize that I should have.14 A. After I'd criticized you for not forwarding15 Q. December 1 and 2nd e-mails you thought you didn't need16 to forward this?17 I brought it with me because I thought it would18 A. be required.19 Could you repeat that?20 Q. I brought it with me because I thought it would21 A. be required.22 But I don't have time to study it standing here23 Q. today, and my engineer doesn't have time to go over it,24 does he?25 51 No.1 A. Had I gotten it on Friday I could have taken care2 Q. of that, couldn't I?3 It wasn't resolved on Friday. We -- I told them4 A. I need additional

esn't have time to go over it,24 does he?25 51 No.1 A. Had I gotten it on Friday I could have taken care2 Q. of that, couldn't I?3 It wasn't resolved on Friday. We -- I told them4 A. I need additional information.5 Okay.6 Q. So on Friday, December -- on Friday, December 5,7 six hours later -- strike that.8 Five hours later you wrote to Mr. Seel and you9 stated, "Our initial comments are as follows." Would10 you turn to the page, it's the second page in the11 packet.12 So --13 A. I'll read it. Follow along with me. It says,14 Q. "Hello, Mark, Our initial comments are as follows." So15 you now present in items 1, 2, 3, and 4 several comments16 on the materials he sent to you, isn't that correct?17 That is correct.18 A. Five hours after he sent them?19 Q. Yes. We were working on other projects and20 A. there's other things to do.21 Not criticizing five hours, it was remarkably22 Q. expeditious, don't get me wrong.23 I was hoping to get the information earlier this24 A. week to get it resolved.25 52 Yes, but again, now you write later that day with1 Q. your own opinion about what they gave you and you still2 don't copy Mr. Goll or me, why is that?3 I didn't realize I had to.4 A. After I said at the prior meeting you needed to?5 Q. I -- it didn't register with me when this6 A. conversation started, certainly if Mr. Goll had called7 we would have commenced a discussion with him as well.8 We never received a call.9 Are you suggesting that profession of engineering10 Q. involves a degree in mind reading? How is he supposed11 to know you're having these discussions?12 Well, as far as last Friday you had already seen13 A. other discussions.14 So he's supposed to assume, after I criticized15 Q. you for not disclosing your earlier discussions, that16 you were again having ex parte discussions with the17 other side, is that what you're saying?18 That he was supposed to assume, no. But there19 A. were, he could have called about a report. He could20 have initiated a chain of communication as well.21 So in other words, he is still supposed somehow22 Q. be guessing you're having these discussions with the23 other side and call to say, what other discussions are24 you having off the record with the applicants engineers,25