December 10, 2025, Planning Board Special Meeting - WEHI Transcript

23 of 55 sheets Page 89 to 92 of 144 01/14/2026 10:36:25 AM 89 standards. There's this geologic strength argument and1 it goes on in the rebuttal reports between Langan and2 Princeton Hydro. They -- and Princeton Hydro3 established a very conservative value of GSI of 20.4 They ran stability calculations which came up with a5 safety factor of 1.7 which --6 Is above 1.5?7 Q. And then it says -- I'm sorry.8 A. That's above 1.5, correct?9 Q. Correct.10 A. So their calculation is 1.7?11 Q. Right.12 A. Which is more than the 1.5 you're accepting from13 Q. Langan, but you don't see anything wrong with Princeton14 Hydro's calculations either, did you?15 No.16 A. Okay.17 Q. The question --18 A. You have a dispute between two engineers?19 Q. Can I answer or no?20 A. What.21 Q. The other question between -- the analysis22 A. between the two engineers is one sets the bar higher23 than the another.24 And you see nothing wrong with the analysis25 Q. 90 Princeton Hydro did, did you?1 No. Nothing.2 A. Okay.3 Q. So you don't think when you have two sets of4 engineers and you could find nothing wrong with either5 analysis, you're to err on the conservative side?6 And when you do, you get a safety factor of 1.7.7 A. That's -- whose conservative analysis is that?8 Q. Princeton Hydro.9 A. Right. And that's above 1.5?10 Q. That's better than 1.5.11 A. The safety factor of 2.0 is what they12 Q. recommended?13 Well, they do, but I don't agree with that.14 A. But you said there is nothing erroneous about the15 Q. calculation of 1.7, isn't that correct?16 I said that.17 A. So therefore if you have two engineers who have18 Q. two sets of reports and you can find nothing wrong with19 either one of them, and yet you're accepting the lower20 safety value rather than the higher, is that your21 testimony?22 My testimony is that 1.5 is an acceptable slope23 A. stability factor for, for a slope that's not being24 developed.25 91 Can you find anything wrong with Princeton1 Q. Hydro's analysis?2 Nothing wrong with it.3 A. Thank you.4 Q. Other than I have a different opinion on the5 A. required safety factor.6 Correct. But other than that you have nothing --7 Q. you see nothing wrong with their analysis that led to8 1.7?9 Right.10 A. Okay. Thank you.11 Q. MR. AFRAN: Just need a moment. Would this12 be a good time to take a break?13 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: We'll take a ten-minute14 break.15 (Whereupon,

lysis that led to8 1.7?9 Right.10 A. Okay. Thank you.11 Q. MR. AFRAN: Just need a moment. Would this12 be a good time to take a break?13 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: We'll take a ten-minute14 break.15 (Whereupon, a short recess is taken.)16 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Back on the record.17 Mr. Afran.18 I'm sorry for the delay, we had some other issues19 Q. as well as the, Mr. Plocker and I, review.20 That concludes for now our cross-examination of21 Mr. Kleinberg, subject to his supplying the materials we22 discussed and I would appreciate if some time in the23 next week, if possible, that could be done. We still24 have a few weeks before the next likely meeting and that25 92 will give us time to review it as we discussed outside1 with Mr. Plocker, Ms. McGovern and the Chair. We will2 review those materials and see if we have a need for3 further cross-examination or if Princeton Hydro needs to4 come back based on those materials. So at this point5 we'll stop our examination of Mr. Kleinberg for now6 subject to what we just discussed.7 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Thank you, sir. Okay.8 So I ask any members of the board if they have9 any questions for Mr. Kleinberg?10 MAYOR McCARTNEY: No, sir.11 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Ms. Kapferer?12 MS. KAPFERER: No questions.13 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Vice Chairman Guarino?14 VICE CHAIRMAN GUARINO: No questions, sir.15 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Mr. Wilkes?16 MR. WILKES: No questions.17 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Mr. Alper?18 MR. ALPER: No questions.19 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Mr. Cardoza?20 MR. CARDOZA: No questions.21 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Council Person Scarpa?22 COUNCILWOMAN SCARPA: No questions.23 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Malvica?24 MS. APTE: No questions.25