December 10, 2025, Planning Board Special Meeting - WEHI Transcript

01/14/2026 10:36:25 AM Page 133 to 136 of 144 34 of 55 sheets 133 THE PUBLIC: Again, we are talking about1 money, I don't want to talk about money at all. I will2 leave this alone. I want to put it out there for maybe3 thought. This is one of those things maybe we all have4 to sleep on but --5 THE WITNESS: And in this instance the6 standards which apply more or less in this case there7 are codes you have to follow. And, and the codes are8 minimus too.9 THE PUBLIC: Thank you so much.10 THE WITNESS: I'm sorry.11 THE PUBLIC: No, don't be sorry. This is12 hard. We are here for many, many months going through13 this because this is hard. If it was easy we would have14 been done with this in a few meetings, right. So I15 appreciate your thoughtfulness. Thank you.16 THE WITNESS: Thank you.17 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Do any other members have18 questions for Mr. Kleinberg on his testimony? Please19 come up.20 THE PUBLIC: Walter Steinman, Verona.21 You stated that the geology had a basalt top22 and a sandstone base and about 200 million years ago,23 180 years ago and it was Jurassic, so we got fissures24 forming in there. Prior to the glacial period ten25 134 thousand years ago here, you had a tertiary and that1 area eroded. What -- on the slope you had, you have,2 you said you have soil there. Has there been any3 testing on how much smectite and illite is in that soil,4 because that's the weathering material from basalt.5 Illite and smectite are phyllosilicates that are very6 slippery. So if you're going to take all these out and7 waters going to come into this area, you're going to8 have a situation where the slope can slide down to the9 bottom. Has there been any check for the actual10 minerals of the soil?11 THE WITNESS: No, and I am not an expert in12 the subject you're talking about, the chemistry of the13 rock. I am not a geologist. And, and again, in this14 case we looked at the slope on the east side of the15 proposed Building D and that is going to remain wooded16 as it is today, is my understanding.17 THE PUBLIC: But the geology will weigh the18 formation of the two mountains, the Orange formation and19 the Preakness formation were two lava flows that flowed20 out during the Jurassic periods, one came out, flowed21 out just like Iceland. It flowed out underground then22 it stopped, then we had an erosion. So you had all the23 red sandstone come that's iron in the

ring the Jurassic periods, one came out, flowed21 out just like Iceland. It flowed out underground then22 it stopped, then we had an erosion. So you had all the23 red sandstone come that's iron in the sandstone and then24 it occurred again, during tertiary about 40 million25 135 years ago it silted. Okay. After that it broke off1 North America what has mapped in that period of time is2 you got a lot of piles and you stated that you were at3 the bottom of the hill and you saw the slope and then it4 slides out and becomes a shallow slope, correct?5 THE WITNESS: I reviewed -- I am not a6 geologist. You -- included in the review the geology of7 the Caldwell Quadra Angle Map and that indicated that8 most of the soils overlying directly overlie the rock9 glacial till.10 THE PUBLIC: And glacial till is made up of11 what? How much smectite and how much illite?12 THE WITNESS: I can't talk to that.13 THE PUBLIC: That's where people,14 individuals that are concerned about is the mass wasting15 coming down the hill and at the bottom of the hill,16 you're saying that slopes and it slopes, gently slopes17 off. Is that a talis pile or is that a mass waste over18 the mountain over millenniums or generations?19 THE WITNESS: I can only say the mapping20 says it's a glacial till.21 THE PUBLIC: It is glacial, yes. There's22 about 80,000 years ago 400-feet above there, okay.23 Thank you.24 THE WITNESS: I'm sorry. I'm not --25 136 THE PUBLIC: Okay.1 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Any another members of the2 public who have questions for Mr. Kleinberg on his3 testimony?4 THE PUBLIC: Deborah Deruce, D-E-R-U-C-E. I5 find it interesting, I want to know from your6 statements, you are saying that by building this project7 it's a feasible project and the slope by the8 calculations that you do, but my question is that over a9 period of time, like 20, 30, 40 years, residents living10 below the slope are talking about, you know, basements11 being flooded when it rains very heavily, where12 sinkholes appear along Howell Road when you go up Howell13 there are a lot of sinkholes that appear in certain14 parts where houses are being built and when you are15 coming down Howell and Slayback you have water coming16 through where the sewer separates from the roads and17 holes appear. So with all these observations that18 people are saying that they see coming just from the19 water from the top, how does that

ng16 through where the sewer separates from the roads and17 holes appear. So with all these observations that18 people are saying that they see coming just from the19 water from the top, how does that affect now if you're20 going to be building this big project, are you saying21 that's not going to be exacerbated on account of that22 area is not going to be affected but the area below will23 not be affected by the bigger improvements that you're24 putting through?25