December 3, 2025 Regular Meeting - WEHI Transcript

1 of 17 sheets Page 1 to 4 of 68 01/05/2026 02:58:16 PM 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 1 TOWNSHIP OF WEST ORANGE DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 3, 2025 6:30 P.M. RE; PB-24-01 WEST ESSEX HIGHLANDS, INC. BOARD MEMBERS: ROBERT BAGOFF, Chairman JERRY GUARINO, Vice Chairman SUSAN McCARTNEY, Mayor LEE D. KLEIN WILLIAM B. WILKES KEN ALPER LORI KAPFERER SUSAN SCARPA, Councilwoman JORDAN RIZZO, Engineer MALVIKA APTE, Planner JAMILET BAQUERIZO VITE, Board Secretary GENIECE GARY-ADAMS, Zoning Official WITNESS: SAMUEL N. KLEINBERG, Engineer FISHMAN COURT REPORTING AGENCY 89 HEADQUARTERS PLAZA NORTH 4 SPEEDWELL AVENUE, SUITE 1440 MORRISTOWN, NEW JERSEY 07960 (973) 285-5331 - FAX - (732) 605-9391 2 A P P E A R A N C E S :1 2 H U T T , S H I M A N O W I T Z & P L O C K E R , E S Q S . B Y B R Y A N D . P L O C K E R , E S Q .3 B p l o c k e r @ h u t t s h i m . c o m 4 5 9 A M B O Y A V E N U E4 W O O D B R I D G E , N E W J E R S E Y 0 7 0 9 5 A p p e a r i n g o n b e h a l f o f t h e A p p l i c a n t5 6 G A C C I O N E & P O M A C O , E S Q S . B Y D I A N A P . M c G O V E R N , E S Q .7 O N E B O L A N D D R I V E , S U I T E 1 0 2 W E S T O R A N G E , N E W J E R S E Y 0 7 0 5 28 A p p e a r i n g o n b e h a l f o f t h e B o a r d 9 10 B R U C E I . A F R A N , E S Q . 1 0 B R A E B R U N D R I V E11 P R I N C E T O N , N E W J E R S E Y 0 8 5 4 0 A p p e a r i n g o n b e h a l f o f t h e O b j e c t o r ,12 W e C a r e N J C o r p . 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 3 I N D E X O F E X H I B I T S1 2 E X H I B I T D E S C R I P T I O N3 O - 3 6 E - M A I L F R O M M R . K L E I N B E R G T O M A R K S E E L4 O - 3 7 L A N G A N E N G I N E E R I N G I N V E S T I G A T I O N P L A N W I T H5 M A R K I N G B Y M R . K L E I N B E R G6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 4 C H A I R M A N B A G O F F : M r . K l e i n b e r g , y o u a r e1 s t i l l u n d e r o a t h , s i r .2 M R . K L E I N B E R G : Y e s , s i r .3 M S . M c G O V E R N : M y n o t e s s h o w t h a t y o u w e r e4 i n t h e m i d d l e o f c r o s s - e x a m i n a t i o n o f M r . K l e i n b e r g .5 M R . A F R A N : T h a t i s c o r r e c t . A n d I t h i n k6 M r . K l e i n b e r g w a s s u p p o s e d t o r e p o r t b a c k a s t o w h e t h e r7 y o u g o t t h e a d d i t i o n a l i n f

R . A F R A N : T h a t i s c o r r e c t . A n d I t h i n k6 M r . K l e i n b e r g w a s s u p p o s e d t o r e p o r t b a c k a s t o w h e t h e r7 y o u g o t t h e a d d i t i o n a l i n f o r m a t i o n t h a t y o u w e r e , t h a t8 y o u w e r e s e e k i n g f r o m L a n g a n .9 T H E W I T N E S S : I d i d .10 M S . M c G O V E R N : O k a y . T e r r i f i c .11 I g u e s s , M r . A f r a n .12 M R . A F R A N : Y e s , I d o n ' t k n o w i f M r .13 K l e i n b e r g w a n t s t o a d d r e s s t h a t i n f o r m a t i o n a s p a r t o f14 d i r e c t t e s t i m o n y n o w t h a t h e h a s i t .15 M S . M c G O V E R N : D o y o u w a n t t o f i l l u s i n a s16 t o w h a t y o u g o t , y o u k n o w , w h a t r e q u e s t e d i n f o r m a t i o n17 y o u g o t , w h a t w a s g i v e n t o y o u ?18 T H E W I T N E S S : Y e s . W i t h i n o u r r e p o r t t h e r e19 w e r e t w o o u t s t a n d i n g i s s u e s o r a d d i t i o n a l i n f o r m a t i o n20 t h a t w e h a d r e q u e s t e d . O n e w e h a d r e c o m m e n d e d t h a t21 t h e r e , t h a t i n c a s e o f s e v e r e w e a t h e r i n v o l v i n g h e a v y22 m i c r o b u r s t k i n d o f r a i n f a l l s i t u a t i o n s , s u c h a s w e h a d a23 c o u p l e m o n t h s a g o , t h a t s h o u l d b e i n c l u d e d i n t h e24 e v a l u a t i o n o f t h e s l o p e s t a b i l i t y a n d t h a t w e w o u l d25