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cbd6abed-8cda-4dba-9ebd-560688bcfcb2 30 (Pages 117 to 120) Page 117 1 the exhibits. So -- 2 THE WITNESS: I apologize. I had meant to 3 do that and inadvertently skipped this one. 4 MR. PORTER: Mr. Warner, we would request 5 that this be marked as Exhibit A-13. And Ms. Merainer, 6 was this photograph also taken by you? 7 THE WITNESS: Yes. 8 (Exhibit A-13 is received and marked.) 9 MR. PORTER: And which specific substation 10 does this represent? 11 THE WITNESS: East Rutherford. I included 12 this so you can see the pillars at the entranceway. 13 This also has trees lining the substation. 14 MS. BENNETT: Right. And that's why I 15 asked if you would just keep this one up. Because I 16 think this depicts what Mr. Malanga was referencing. 17 The positioning of fencing so as to preserve trees by 18 positioning the fencing inside of trees. 19 So I had originally asked for you to return 20 to the exhibits because I didn't recollect if any of 21 the exhibits had shown any landscaping or any trees, 22 and I was hoping that I was wrong. 23 So my question to you is this. With your 24 knowledge of each of these substations, do any of the 25 pictures that you've shared depict how you envision the Page 119 1 preserve trees? 2 THE WITNESS: I do not know if that is 3 possible. We cannot move the fence towards the 4 roadways because that is not our property. 5 MS. BENNETT: Understood. And I wouldn't 6 want you to move it closer to the roadway. I'm 7 wondering if you could move it deeper into your 8 property to preserve trees? 9 THE WITNESS: That would have to be 10 evaluated by PSE&G if we can even do that. Our concern 11 would be that there are sections of the property that 12 we could not protect. 13 MS. BENNETT: The park-like sections, 14 right, not the equipment sections? 15 THE WITNESS: That is still part of our 16 property. 17 MR. PORTER: Mr. Neuer, I object. This is 18 again calling for questions with respect to the design 19 of the site, which are engineering-specific questions. 20 She is testifying as the Planner. 21 MS. BENNETT: But the planner wouldn't -- 22 she just said you she doesn't know -- 23 CHAIRMAN NEUER: One second, Ms. Bennett. 24 MS. BENNETT: Oh, I'm sorry. I thought I 25 could respond. Page 118 1 landscaping of this site? The proposed, you know, the 2 application, the site of the application, or are they 3 all more urban? 4 THE WITNESS: These are

sorry. I thought I 25 could respond. Page 118 1 landscaping of this site? The proposed, you know, the 2 application, the site of the application, or are they 3 all more urban? 4 THE WITNESS: These are generally more 5 urban or suburban. I had already explained that West 6 Orange switching station is rather unique due to its 7 size and existing -- 8 MS. BENNETT: I agree with you that it's 9 rather unique. It's also quite park-like. And you've 10 been there, yes? 11 MR. PORTER: Objection. 12 THE WITNESS: I have, inside and out. 13 MS. BENNETT: Yes. So I pass it every day, 14 multiple times a day and it's beautiful. And so is 15 there any way -- I know I need to ask a question, Mr. 16 Neuer. I'm sorry. But is there any way that this 17 application could consider the placement of the fence 18 so as to preserve the perimeter trees that are not 19 in -- not jeopardizing the substation but jeopardizing 20 your new fence? 21 Is there a way to put your security 22 fencing, which I completely understand why you need it 23 and you need it at industry standards, but is there a 24 way to position your fencing so as to be closer to the 25 equipment and further away from the trees so you can Page 120 1 CHAIRMAN NEUER: That's okay. Let me 2 respectfully point out to you that your premise may be 3 flawed in that you believe that simply moving the fence 4 into the property is going to save trees and that would 5 require a great deal of study by the engineers as well 6 as the landscape architect, and all of that is beyond 7 the scope of this witness' testimony. So respectfully 8 please go on to something else and you're running a bit 9 out of time. 10 MS. BENNETT: I'm sorry. Okay. So I'm 11 sorry for taking so much time with this, but would you 12 go to the other images? Are there any trees in any of 13 the other images, and if so would you just share those 14 images? 15 THE WITNESS: Yes, I will. This is our 16 Fairmount substation. This was constructed just a few 17 years ago. We tried something different in this case. 18 What we did is we pulled our fence back into the 19 station so we could have a wide swath of landscaping. 20 We thought that -- this was an experiment. 21 Now, of course, this is not quite what you 22 have at West Orange. The landscape buffer is not as 23 wide. It is unfortunate that we have found that 24 neighbors have not necessarily respected the

21 Now, of course, this is not quite what you 22 have at West Orange. The landscape buffer is not as 23 wide. It is unfortunate that we have found that 24 neighbors have not necessarily respected the landscape 25 buffer and seem to think it is a trash receptacle.