July 31, 2024 Planning Board Special Meeting Transcript - WEHI

man nods.) 9 COUNCILMAN RUTHERFORD: Mr. Anderson, 10 with regard to sidewalks, the slope exiting -- going 11 down toward Warner, is that ADA or FHA compliant? 12 Is that a steep slope? Is that able -- are those 13 that are wheelchair-bound able to traverse that 14 safely? 15 MR. ANDERSON: Which area are you 16 speaking of? 17 COUNCILMAN RUTHERFORD: The sidewalk 18 exiting the community connecting with Warner. 19 MR. ANDERSON: Okay, so the sidewalk 20 follows the slope of the road, which is permitted by 21 ADA. When you get to the intersections, the profile 22 of the road levels out to 1 percent and you have 23 crosswalks at that intersection that are compliant 24 with ADA standards. 25 COUNCILMAN RUTHERFORD: I'm very Page 217 1 satisfied with that answer, thank you. I would like 2 to -- are you the proper person -- I should have 3 probably asked this yesterday. Have you 4 incorporated any bioswales or rain gardens into your 5 stormwater management on site? 6 MR. ANDERSON: No, those are usually 7 for smaller -- smaller applications and green 8 technology. So we have green technology is the 9 porous pavement, small-scale infiltration basins and 10 so forth. So those are mechanisms which are used 11 for a little bit larger-sized storm drainage 12 systems. 13 MR. CARDOZA: Into the mic. 14 COUNCILMAN RUTHERFORD: Thank you very 15 much, Mr. Anderson. Thank you, Mr. Chair. 16 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Thank you. I have 17 one other thing to throw out there. I'd like the 18 builder to consider this for next time. There will 19 be a next time; I'll tell you about that in a 20 minute. This application has a lot of parking, a 21 lot of people, and we've had other projects do this, 22 that after the project is 30 percent filled, the 23 applicant will provide a jitney to the local bus 24 station and train station in perpetuity, depending 25 on how many people are using it in their complex,

56 (Pages 218 to 221) Page 218 1 make a lot of sense, and it will save cars, and we 2 can work that -- we can work the details out. So 3 consider that. 4 MR. PLOCKER: Thank you. 5 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: And to that end, Mr. 6 Plocker has asked for another meeting and this will 7 be carried, there will be no notice required. The 8 two dates that we have now will be August 14 -- 9 August 13, a Tuesday, August 14, a Wednesday, 6:30 10 p.m. start, 11 p.m. finish, and Mr. Afran, you'll be 11 able to ask your questions next time and then we'll 12 go through the -- 13 MR. AFRAN: No, it's a scheduling 14 issue. 15 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: I'm sorry? 16 MR. AFRAN: A scheduling issue. A 17 scheduling issue. 18 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Oh, scheduling 19 issues. 20 MR. AFRAN: Yeah. First of all, 21 someone left their glasses on the podium. 22 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Okay. 23 MR. AFRAN: They're a red pair of 24 glasses. 25 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Okay, we'll keep it Page 219 1 here and leave it in Town Hall. Thank you. 2 MR. AFRAN: Yeah, it's been brought to 3 my attention, I should have realized it myself, it 4 was brought to my attention, on the 13th, that is a 5 Jewish holiday, Tish'a B'Av. And so I know there's 6 some people observing, it is a day of study and 7 fasting, so I think the Board should be alerted to 8 that, in its own discretion; I'm not sure what -- 9 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Can you come on the 10 14th? 11 MR. AFRAN: Yes, the 14th works. 12 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Well, we can still 13 have the meeting and Mr. Appel will be here on the 14 14th and you can watch on the -- 15 MR. AFRAN: Well, no, it wasn't so 16 much myself I was concerned with; I know some people 17 interested in this matter -- 18 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: They can -- it's all 19 on video. It will all be preserved on video and 20 they could watch on the -- 21 (Public outburst) 22 MR. AFRAN: Yeah, the problem will be 23 those who can't be here won't be able to ask 24 questions. 25 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: I'm sorry? Page 220 1 MR. AFRAN: Those who can't be here 2 won't be able to ask questions, that's the -- 3 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: I got that. 4 COUNCILMAN RUTHERFORD: Mr. Chair, I 5 can tell you I'm unavailable both of those days, 6 even by Zoom. 7 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: We do have a quorum. 8 (Off-the-record discussion) 9 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: We'll do the 14th 10 and -- 11 MR. PLOCKER: I was going to suggest 12 that we'll make any professional who testified on 13 the

FF: We do have a quorum. 8 (Off-the-record discussion) 9 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: We'll do the 14th 10 and -- 11 MR. PLOCKER: I was going to suggest 12 that we'll make any professional who testified on 13 the 13th available on the 14th -- testifying on the 14 13th available on the 14th for any questions. 15 (Public outburst) 16 COUNCILMAN RUTHERFORD: Mr. Chairman, 17 can we -- can we -- 18 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: We won't have it on 19 the 13th, we'll have it on the 14th. 20 MR. PLOCKER: Okay, thank you. 21 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: This way, we'll pass 22 Tish'a B'Av and you'll be able to hear and 23 participate, and we will have to come up with more 24 dates. 25 MR. AFRAN: Thank you very much. Page 221 1 COUNCILMAN RUTHERFORD: Mr. Chair -- 2 wait, wait, before we go any further, Mr. Chair -- 3 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: For the record, 4 we're going to have the next special meeting on 5 August 14 starting at 6:30 and we will go till 6 11:00. The meeting is carried, there will be no 7 additional notice provided and it will be available 8 on Zoom on the 14th. The next regular Planning 9 Board -- in person here. It will be in person and 10 available on Zoom, as it is now. 11 (Hearing adjourned at 10:56 p.m.) 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25

57 (Page 222) Page 222 C E R T I F I C A T E I, MICHELE QUICK, a Certified Court Reporter, Registered Merit Reporter, Certified Realtime Reporter of the State of New Jersey, authorized to administer oaths pursuant to R.S. 41:2-1, do hereby state that the foregoing is a true and accurate verbatim transcript of my stenographic notes of the within proceedings, to the best of my ability. ____ MICHELE QUICK, CCR, RMR, CRR NJ Certified Court Reporter License No. XIO1731

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