June 4, 2025, Planning Board Regular Meeting Transcript - WEHI

11 of 41 sheets Page 41 to 44 of 101 06/20/2025 06:55:03 AM 41 showing that water movement, after the stormwater1 management plan is replaced, changes the natural flow2 and the pink arrows reflect it going into the management3 system. So I am not sure if that's what you're driving4 at but I think it does give an overlay, to a great5 degree.6 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: I want to add for clarity,7 was that the stormwater management plan that was sent to8 the DEP for their evaluation?9 MR. AFRAN: That would be the same10 stormwater management plan.11 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: So this represents what12 was sent to the DEP for evaluation?13 MR. AFRAN: Except for one thing.14 In Mr. Gallagher's review of the stormwater15 Q. management plan, what is their focus in your view?16 They're supposed to look at compliance with17 A. N.J.A.C. 7:8.18 Now, what's the point of their analysis? Are19 Q. they looking at wetlands, water quality, drinking water,20 what are they looking at?21 One, compliance and two, water quality.22 A. Okay.23 Q. So when you say, water quality, they're referring24 to the quality of the water after recharge, is that25 42 correct?1 Or after treatment through any BMP, be it2 A. recharge or for quantity management over peak flow3 management.4 Okay.5 Q. So on this particular site we're going to see6 water, stormwater going into say detention basins in the7 lower left-hand corner, that's one example?8 Right.9 A. The water then infiltrates eventually out of10 Q. their and then goes to the very far corner where the11 arrow points to the bottom of that stream. Now, the12 recharge analysis by the state is directed to the13 efficiency of that aspect of the management system, is14 that correct?15 In theory, yes.16 A. Yes. I am not saying whether right or wrong.17 Q. MR. PLOCKER: I'm going to object. These18 seem like questions directed towards an engineer.19 MR. AFRAN: No, I am not done.20 MR. PLOCKER: Stormwater design -- I want to21 state my objection for the record.22 MR. AFRAN: I'm not finished --23 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Mr. Afran.24 So now they're looking at the effect of25 Q. 43 stormwater management system on returning water back to1 the drinking water system to the streams and rivers, is2 that correct?3 Can you repeat that.4 A. No. They're looking at the well, I think I asked5 Q. the question.6 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Ask him a question don't7 tell him, them. Please ask him a

and rivers, is2 that correct?3 Can you repeat that.4 A. No. They're looking at the well, I think I asked5 Q. the question.6 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Ask him a question don't7 tell him, them. Please ask him a question.8 MR. AFRAN: I agree.9 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Thank you.10 Outside of looking at that the return of the11 Q. water back into the river system, is the DEP's analysis12 going to the quality of wetlands post construction?13 No.14 A. Okay.15 Q. MR. AFRAN: And therefore there's -- Mr.16 Chairman, there are -- our position is that even though17 DEP did an analysis on recharge that's not an analysis18 of wetlands post construction. And so that relates to19 the environmental analysis.20 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: This is what your21 hypothesizing, what DEP did or did not do?22 MR. AFRAN: No, I am not hypothesizing. The23 expert who does permitting said so.24 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Did you read DEP25 44 evaluation of the site?1 THE WITNESS: We do not.2 MR. AFRAN: I think --3 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: He said, we do not.4 MR. AFRAN: You said you did read --5 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Did you read it. You did6 you it when doing the evaluation of the site, correct?7 So you said he did, he said he didn't.8 MR. AFRAN: No, I didn't say he did. I said9 he's an expert and what DEP does in terms of recharge10 analysis.11 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: So my question was, did12 you read what DEP said about this particular site?13 THE WITNESS: Their permits pretty brief, it14 doesn't describe the analysis just their conclusion.15 And I am not sure this Board knows but we did send a16 letter to the DEP requesting that permit be suspended17 based on inaccurate information, and like I said, we18 have a seasonal high water table below the wetland19 elevation. Just elements like that, that don't make20 sense. So we made a request from the DEP to look at21 this, absolutely.22 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Did they?23 THE WITNESS: They just got the letter a24 couple weeks ago.25