September 11, 2024 Planning Board Special Meeting Transcript - WEHI

re23 than likely will go directly to the parking lot up top.24 And people, keep in mind when you design parking, we do25 99 not design for every parking space to be filled. As Mr.1 Anderson indicated, there are over 1070 parking spaces,2 not including some additional 102 spaces scattered at3 the, at the clubhouse and so forth. So we have an4 abundance of parking that meets and exceeds the RSIS5 actual parking demands. Just to give you a sense, based6 upon published data by the same publication, done by the7 Institute of Transportation Engineers, indicates that we8 could expect, on average you might actual see maybe9 about 630, 640 parked vehicles on this site. So, and10 that's intentional. We don't want people to be looking11 for their next parking space. You want to make sure12 that we have more than adequate parking. So those13 spaces are there, they're functional. I don't know that14 I share your concerns that you have. I think they have15 good sight lines from my looking at the grading. It's16 in a low speed area. It's not a straightaway, so.17 MR. CARDOZA: Since you're referring to a18 low speed area, can you remind me, is there signage at19 the exit of the garage telling motorists to slow down20 before they exit the garage?21 THE WITNESS: I'm not familiar with any of22 the particular signage. There's not likely any signage.23 We certainly could.24 MR. CARDOZA: Yeah, I would suggest that25 100 probably every --1 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: I am going to make it a2 condition.3 MR. CARDOZA: Something coming and going for4 motorists.5 MR. PLOCKER: And that would be acceptable6 to the applicant.7 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Thank you, Mr. Plocker.8 MR. KLEIN: Is there a gate?9 THE WITNESS: That garage, that section of10 the garage, I believe Mr. Appel testified to, is gated.11 There is a section of that back garage that isn't gated,12 that's open for visitor parking. But, yeah, so people13 that are going in and out of this section are the people14 that are doing it every day, so it's not unlike driving15 in and out of your driveway every day. You are really16 the only ones that's even doing it.17 MS. MCGOVERN: What kind of warning would18 you like?19 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Go slow.20 MS. McGOVERN: Just slow, that's it?21 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Is that two-way in and22 out?23 THE WITNESS: That's two ways, yes.24 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Is there a gate and door25

09/27/2024 06:14:01 AM Page 101 to 104 of 180 26 of 71 sheets 101 there?1 THE WITNESS: On the building, yes.2 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Are the actual gates going3 to open as a car goes up top --4 THE WITNESS: Management of that gate and how5 it'll function I don't think has been fully determined6 yet, but it is set up for that.7 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: And it has a signal on,8 audible signal as the door is opening?9 THE WITNESS: I don't know that we've gotten10 to that level of design yet.11 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Okay.12 I'm going to ask the board to make a13 recommendation there be an audible signal when the door14 opens for people outside, so somebody in a parking spot15 can hear or somebody coming up the roadway --16 MS. MCGOVERN: Exiting the garage?17 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Exiting the garage.18 MS. MCGOVERN: At each garage?19 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Each garage or maybe20 pedestrians may be walking up who left their car.21 MS. MCGOVERN: That's for exiting cars?22 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Exiting cars, correct.23 MR. CARDOZA: Okay. Going forward.24 The sidewalk that connects to those six25 102 spaces, when we get to the, let's see, what's that.1 Warner, we see the black mark, is that, does that2 designate striping for a crosswalk?3 THE WITNESS: Yes, so that designates, and4 actually that's Road D. Right there, the bottom of Road5 D. So that would designate on each side the handicapped6 ramp. As I said, handicapped accessible ramp and a7 pavement treatment other than macadam to designate the8 crosswalk itself.9 MR. CARDOZA: Okay. So it would be a10 crosswalk?11 THE WITNESS: It's a crosswalk.12 MR. CARDOZA: Okay. All right. And that's,13 just because I see that, you know, throughout I'm going14 to ask specific questions about each entrance and exit15 on almost every building.16 As you get to the main entrance of Building17 D -- if you go up a little bit. Okay. Keep going. So18 the main entrance where you see you have the island and19 I guess an awning. At the end of that -- so drivers20 pull up under the awning, they can let, you know,21 passengers go, they proceed and then that has the22 indication no u-turn at the end of the island. I assume23 you expect them to go up, make a U-turn somewhere or go24 up further and utilize the turn style across from the25 103 upper parking garage entrance and exit of the building?1 THE WITNESS: Yeah, so a smaller typical2 vehicle, small van, they'll actually be

24 up further and utilize the turn style across from the25 103 upper parking garage entrance and exit of the building?1 THE WITNESS: Yeah, so a smaller typical2 vehicle, small van, they'll actually be able to make the3 left. The only vehicle that would really need to go on4 is like a Sprinter van or larger van. So I don't know5 we need to specify a no U-turn at that location.6 MR. CARDOZA: Okay. So you don't expect7 U-turns at that intersection?8 THE WITNESS: I would expect that somebody's9 going to make that left, but I hate to install signs10 that just are going to be ignored, because most vehicles11 can make it. You know, a Sprinter vans not going to12 make it, somebody driving a Ford F10 may not make it,13 but most vehicles can make that turn.14 MAYOR McCARTNEY: Do you want to go back to15 the top of that because there's a loop.16 THE WITNESS: There is and for those larger17 vehicles there is the loop at the end.18 MAYOR McCARTNEY: Do you want to look at the19 top of that.20 MR. CARDOZA: Yeah. The traffic pattern21 turns up there.22 THE WITNESS: Correct.23 MR. CARDOZA: Okay.24 Can you go back down, just under the main25 104 entrance.1 So there's only a few places were I see this2 but -- scroll down a little further. Okay. So the3 central exit and entrance of the parking garage,4 sidewalk connects, there's no striping there for5 indicating pedestrians. Is that indicating a pedestrian6 crosswalk?7 THE WITNESS: We can incorporate the same8 treatment at that location.9 MR. CARDOZA: Okay.10 Can you look at the clubhouse E, the turn11 style of the clubhouse.12 MR. KLEIN: With that crosswalk you should13 probably put a stop sign too.14 THE WITNESS: I agree. And I think one of15 the comments by CME was to add stop signs and stop bars16 at locations which is part of what we would agree to.17 MR. KLEIN: Upper level exit of Building D.18 That's the upper level, lower level then the curve,19 right?20 THE WITNESS: Yes.21 MR. CARDOZA: Well, that's the middle. So22 there are three exits and entrances of Building D.23 MR. KLEIN: Two levels of parking.24 MR. CARDOZA: Oh, two levels of parking.25

27 of 71 sheets Page 105 to 108 of 180 09/27/2024 06:14:01 AM 105 MS. MCGOVERN: And it's just at that exit?1 MR. KLEIN: For now, yeah.2 MS. MCGOVERN: Okay. All right.3 MR. CARDOZA: Looking at the turn style at4 building, at the clubhouse, please.5 THE WITNESS: I think I'll preempt your6 comment here. I do need to work with Mr. Anderson, both7 those road links are two-way and he has the arrows8 backwards in circulatory area. So that will be9 corrected and that was also a CME comment.10 MR. CARDOZA: Okay.11 Looking at Building C. So still in this12 lot. The -- okay. So looking at the bottom parking13 garage entrance and exit of Building C. So not that14 one, that's just an exit. Over to the right.15 MR. KLEIN: The double --16 MR. CARDOZA: Right there.17 Same as the crosswalk suggestion at Building18 C.19 THE WITNESS: And stop sign and stop bar, we20 agree.21 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: So all crosswalks.22 MR. CARDOZA: I'm just pointing out the23 spaces that aren't explicitly marked at this moment on24 the plan.25 106 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: We'll make a condition1 that all will be marked with crosswalk and stop signs.2 MS. MCGOVERN: At all garage entrances and3 exits.4 MR. KLEIN: All sidewalks.5 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Is that acceptable?6 THE WITNESS: Yes.7 MR. KLEIN: All sidewalks.8 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: All right.9 MR. CARDOZA: Going up a little bit. The10 left side of Building C. So this main entrance to the11 lobby, this also looks very awkward how you have this,12 you have a ride up where you can, you know, drop a13 passenger off at the lobby and then it directly abuts14 another entrance and exit of probably the most utilized15 entrance and exit C. That's where the lot is. How do16 you envision people are supposed to make a left at that17 stop sign?18 THE WITNESS: They would proceed out and19 circulate around the parking lot in this area. This20 really is basically the drop to the lobby. Mostly mail21 and/or Uber drop. You know, it's not a very high volume22 location.23 MR. CARDOZA: So basically not much to24 offer?25 107 THE WITNESS: I don't disagree that it looks1 a little awkward. I've done this in the past, in this2 situation where we have driveways to lobbies, it is3 functional mostly because of the low volume of the drop4 area itself. And in this case we did incorporate the5 stop signs and stop bars to control that traffic.6 MR. CARDOZA: Okay. Thank you.7 MR. KLEIN: I'm sorry,

tly because of the low volume of the drop4 area itself. And in this case we did incorporate the5 stop signs and stop bars to control that traffic.6 MR. CARDOZA: Okay. Thank you.7 MR. KLEIN: I'm sorry, real quick. Before8 you leave. So maybe this is where you move the stop bar9 back to where the building and garage door is that way10 you can put the crosswalk across to connect to the11 sidewalks and then have the stop area. If I drop12 somebody off I either make the right turn in or I can13 make the U-turn or left turn and get out of the parking14 lot if somebody's stopped there under the building.15 MR. CARDOZA: That would make sense.16 THE WITNESS: I think I can look at that17 with Mr. Anderson and then coordinate that with CME and18 adjust that appropriately.19 MR. CARDOZA: Okay. Thank you.20 Can we look at Building A. Okay. That21 looks good. Building A-2, the turn style. Just to22 clarify. So you have two parking spaces at the end of23 the turn style, those aren't designated for anything24 specifically?25 108 THE WITNESS: That's correct.1 MR. CARDOZA: And then is that an entrance2 onto the green that I see? Specifically is that for3 maintenance or -- just under. Right there. Just under4 the two parking spaces, what is that?5 THE WITNESS: I'm going to defer that to Mr.6 Anderson. Oh, that's -- that is the dumpster area. I7 believe he testified to that, those locations during his8 testimony.9 MR. CARDOZA: Okay. Perfect. Thank you.10 So just scroll over just a little bit to the11 left. Thank you.12 The entrance, the main pedestrian entrance13 to Building A-1. Right there. That's the only one14 without an island and I guess that it did not fit, I'm15 guessing, I just wonder whether you have any idea why,16 maybe not as much distinction?17 THE WITNESS: I don't know that there was a18 specific design consideration there. If there's19 something you'd like us to look at in that area with20 CME.21 THE WITNESS: It's just a matter of space,22 that's all. I don't really care.23 THE WITNESS: Just really intended to be a24 pull off and then continue out area.25

09/27/2024 06:14:01 AM Page 109 to 112 of 180 28 of 71 sheets 109 MR. CARDOZA: Okay.1 And then looking at, you know, the main2 entrance, regarding the main entrance in the center of3 Building A as far as parking?4 THE WITNESS: Yes, we'll do the same thing.5 MR. CARDOZA: Okay.6 When you look at the main turn style Joe, so7 that would be the -- right there. To the left.8 MR. KLEIN: The roundabout.9 THE WITNESS: To the right.10 MR. KLEIN: Right there.11 MR. CARDOZA: Right there.12 And this is the yield sign. So the only13 thing is you testified the reason why you have, you14 know, you looked at these streets but you have, you15 know, parts of Warner that have a sidewalk on one side16 of the street. I do see people potentially wanting to17 jump, if they're walking the entire, you know, length of18 this site, from one side of Warner to Kuzik.19 THE WITNESS: The top left leg?20 MR. CARDOZA: Yeah, top left leg.21 THE WITNESS: So this is the comment that22 CME probably had the biggest comment on. They wanted us23 to clean this design up. Tighten this design. There's24 actually too many arrows shown here. This will be a25 110 single lane, what's known as a single lane urban1 roundabout. And there's some specific guidance they2 refer to under the Federal Highway Administration MTB to3 stripe this area. So we will work and clean that up.4 Now, in terms of pedestrian crossing. CME also5 did ask for additional crossings on Kuzik Drive. We6 believe that we would be placing one to the upper left7 where the crown of the road is. We can look at this8 area, I'm just not fully clear on the grading in this9 area, so I can look at this area with Mr. Anderson as to10 whether we can get a crosswalk of that leg between the11 clubhouse and Building A2. I don't want to commit to it12 until I understand the grading specifically in this13 area.14 MR. CARDOZA: Thank you.15 If that's the case, so just to clarify. The16 roundabout you said is going to be a one lane17 roundabout. So as far as what we're seeing the18 additional arrows in the center --19 THE WITNESS: Would go away and the center20 is basically a 30 foot median island.21 MR. CARDOZA: Median island. Okay.22 THE WITNESS: I think we all traveled23 through roundabouts these days that have been starting24 to get built to proper standards and that's what CME is25 111 referring to and that's what we'll incorporate on the1 plan.2 MR.

all traveled23 through roundabouts these days that have been starting24 to get built to proper standards and that's what CME is25 111 referring to and that's what we'll incorporate on the1 plan.2 MR. CARDOZA: Those are all my questions. I3 appreciate your testimony, specifically all that you4 would be doing to make this bicycle friendly and I thank5 you, Mr. Pehnke.6 CHAIRMAN BAGOFF: Ms. Kapferer.7 MS. KAPFERER: Thank you, Mr. Chairman.8 Thank you, Mr. Pehnke.9 My first questions about trip generation.10 Can you talk a bit more, provide some numbers, give us11 some idea what the peak hour trips are so the public can12 understand what the changes might be?13 THE WITNESS: Sure. So, again, for the14 benefit of the public that may not know what a traffic15 engineering study looks at. We focus on what's known as16 the peak hours. In terms of residential development,17 your peak hours are generally occurring during, you18 know, commuter hours. Morning peak hour weekday,19 evening peek hour during weekday, basically when people20 are flowing to work and returning from work and that's21 generally when you do a traffic count. You'll find, on22 Oval Road you'll find a distinct peak. In this case we23 were basically saying a peak hour occurring some place24 between 8:00 and 9:00 in the morning and then again I25 112 think it occurs between 5:00 and 6:00 in the evening.1 Quite frankly that can vary any given day, but that's2 we're we generally see in the roadway hitting the3 highest. So when we make traffic projections for4 redevelopment we look to see what that development would5 generate during those peak hours. And peak hours is6 what is used for the analysis to make sure that the7 roadways can work, the signals can work, stop signs can8 work. Because if they work for the peak they obviously9 work for the other hours of the day. So in terms of10 trip generation, as I referenced, traffic engineers and11 transportation planners reference a document known as12 Trip Generation. It is the public -- it's basically an13 accumulation of actual traffic counts that have been14 done at similar uses, whether it be a shopping center,15 an office building or in this case a multifamily,16 multistory apartment building. And the data base has17 been proven out time again to be fairly representative.18 And we're not looking for exact numbers as traffic19 engineers, we're looking for

ly,16 multistory apartment building. And the data base has17 been proven out time again to be fairly representative.18 And we're not looking for exact numbers as traffic19 engineers, we're looking for the general levels of20 traffic. So at the end of the day you go out and count,21 you might see lower, you might see it a little bit22 higher, but we basically try to understand the general23 level.24 So in terms of trip generation for the 49625

29 of 71 sheets Page 113 to 116 of 180 09/27/2024 06:14:01 AM 113 units that are proposed, based upon the data base in1 that morning peak, that 7:00 to -- 8:00 to 9:00 AM2 period we would expect to see approximately 48 vehicles3 entering in from Eagle Rock Avenue and travel up towards4 the site. More importantly, that's primarily our egress5 time in the morning, we would expect to see about 1596 vehicles exit this community to travel down to Eagle7 Rock Avenue.8 Similarly in the evening peak hour we would9 expect to see about 118 vehicles arriving back during10 the course of that hour, you know, about two per minute.11 And certainly in the evening you have another activity,12 people going out to eat, shop and so forth, school,13 after school activities, so we would expect to see about14 76 existing vehicles. Since this is sort of an isolated15 area, what I did do is a little bit of a calculation to16 give a sense of how that compares to what's happening,17 actually happening in this area. So we used Oval Road18 currently service the 300 units or so in the Highlands.19 The 70 units or so that are part of the Grand and that20 actually provides access back to the Chateau, which the21 Chateau is sort an anomaly that is served here, but22 those 370 units, excluding the commercial activity23 associated with the Chateau generate about 65 entering24 vehicles in the morning today and about 112 vehicles25 114 heading out. So the collaboration of the Chateau, The1 Grand and The Highlands are generating that type of2 traffic in the evening, it's about 109 entering, 1013 exiting. A little bit more akin based on the 2018 data,4 which really is still valid, the 300 units, if you5 isolated it coming out in the morning 300 units is6 generating 96 units -- 96 vehicles over the course of an7 hour. Townhouses generally generate higher levels of8 traffic than a multifamily development, but if you9 actually converted that 96 unit -- 96 trips coming out10 to about the ratio of 96 to 300, you put it against the11 496, 159 trips would be generated by 496 townhouses on12 this site. We're projecting 159 trips on our site. So13 the data just proves itself out. Same thing in the14 evening, the 300 units is generating about 84 trips15 coming in the evening, whereas we're projecting about16 118. Which, is a little lower than our direct ratio,17 but it is what I would expect for a

evening, the 300 units is generating about 84 trips15 coming in the evening, whereas we're projecting about16 118. Which, is a little lower than our direct ratio,17 but it is what I would expect for a multifamily18 apartment versus a townhouse community. And certainly19 the townhouse, the volumes I'm seeing being generated by20 the 300 units is very consistent with the ITE data for21 townhouses. So I just I wanted -- I thought that was22 interesting because everybody always tells us traffic23 engineers this data's garbage and, and quite frankly24 we'll take this data and submit it to the ITE, that's25 115 how data is developed.1 MS. KAPFERER: Can you describe how somebody2 who would be either walking or biking to destinations in3 the area, such as the bus stop that was referenced4 earlier or the schools or the other destinations in5 Pleasantdale, how they would get there by, or not by6 car, like by walking or by bike?7 THE WITNESS: So your pedestrian path and8 bike path on the existing Oval Road and Warner Drive is9 within the cartway. As you're aware that development,10 if you've driven through, does not have a sidewalk11 system, does have a wide cartway. So the cartway being12 wide is advantageous. Basically you have a 20-foot wide13 inbound lane and 20-foot wide outbound lane. You take a14 typical lane of 12 feet basically you have eight feet of15 area for bike pedestrian activity and that's an existing16 condition.17 MS. KAPFERER: So were bike zones or18 sidewalks considered for Warner or for Oval?19 THE WITNESS: We have not specifically20 considered that. As I indicated, the Association is21 looking at some, some types of changes not directly22 associated with this application. I don't know if they23 considered that in their thinking but we're prepared to24 work with them.25 116 MS. KAPFERER: I think someone actually1 asked this question, so I apologize. Can you describe2 the traffic calming that you propose? I know you talked3 about like being sidewalks and things like that, but4 have there been any other, you know, speed tables or5 anything like that or control?6 THE WITNESS: Along Oval and Warner Drive?7 MR. KAPFERER: I'm sorry, within the8 development.9 THE WITNESS: Oh, within the development.10 It's on the plans. It is a, crosswalks are a brick, a11 brick paver is the crosswalk and there's details on the12 plans for that. So it's more than just